Harmed by who? I thought everyone was peaceful otherwise you know we’d hear about it.
mao_was_right on
Reminder that suggesting this on /r/UK at the time would have got your post sent forcefully to the bottom of the page and below the comment score threshold.
draenog_ on
That’s an odd headline, given that the body of the article very much refers to the risk that away fans would target locals **and** locals would seek out away fans.
> Cheshire Chief Constable Mark Roberts, head of the UK football policing unit, explained: “We normally plan for away fans and their risk fans to seek disorder with rival fans. The difference here was there was a threat that some Maccabi fans might seek confrontation with the local community
> “Clearly, there was chatter on social media where there was evidence that some of the Maccabi fans, or [people who were] purporting to be, were gloating about what had gone on and that was being responded to. That was a distinguishing dynamic. This was a unique set of circumstances.”
and
> He admitted: “There was a lot of intelligence that people would actively seek out Maccabi fans and seek violence towards them.
> “There was a range of options available. The challenge, particularly, was that the Maccabi fans would target the community. This was all forming part of the heat of the situation.”
ihateeverythingandu on
Weren’t they responsible for several hooligan incidents this season alone? Including one the very European game before the Villa match?
Codydoc4 on
I think everyone would be happier if everyone did end up having a big riot, then we could point fingers rather than this grasping at straws.
They were banned, end of. Move on and get over it.
99thLuftballon on
Why do the media keep trying to make this a thing? A notoriously violent set of football fanatics attending a game in a region with a lot of people with a background in countries that have a highly volatile relationship with the team’s country of origin – it sounds like a recipe for disaster. It really seems like the cops actually doing their job and trying to proactively prevent public disorder.
FeTemp on
Headline seems weird given the Police said today they planned to allow fans (busing them in and out) but the main factor for banning was very senior level Police in the Netherlands telling them about their concerns about the Maccabi fans not just attacking fans of the other team but that they would target the locals not involved in football which made it much higher risk. And that Israel did not (maybe does not as a policy) respond to multiple attempts for contact so they could coordinate selling tickets to only the non hooligans/ultras.
Multiple times MPs in the committee kept trying to imply the headline above was the only piece of intelligence the police had despite the police giving countless other examples of intelligence that the Maccabi fans were causing problems and explicitly stating the reason for the ban, the evidence that changed their strategy to a ban, was the Netherlands Police warning which the MPs claim is now contradicted, referring to a report prompted by a Netherlands Politician not the Police and despite the Police union in the Netherlands backing up the claims of the UK Police on the evidence they received from the Netherlands.
Watching that committee you could see all those MPs wanted was to make this a political issue, pressuring the Police and Council to say that they had been politically pressured/influenced by the ‘far left’ despite the Police and Council repeatedly stating this was not the case each time. They’ve wasted multiple multi-hour long committee meetings talking about this trying to make this out as something that it’s not. The MPs tried to push one councillor to start disciplinary proceedings on another councillor who had been against the fans coming despite the decision for the advice being unanimous anyway amongst all the members that could vote. They then started having a go at the Council employee who made the meeting minutes, calling for them to be disciplined because they didn’t include all the intelligence word for word (which the Police gave in separate docs) in the meeting minutes. These people are crazy.
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Harmed by who? I thought everyone was peaceful otherwise you know we’d hear about it.
Reminder that suggesting this on /r/UK at the time would have got your post sent forcefully to the bottom of the page and below the comment score threshold.
That’s an odd headline, given that the body of the article very much refers to the risk that away fans would target locals **and** locals would seek out away fans.
> Cheshire Chief Constable Mark Roberts, head of the UK football policing unit, explained: “We normally plan for away fans and their risk fans to seek disorder with rival fans. The difference here was there was a threat that some Maccabi fans might seek confrontation with the local community
> “Clearly, there was chatter on social media where there was evidence that some of the Maccabi fans, or [people who were] purporting to be, were gloating about what had gone on and that was being responded to. That was a distinguishing dynamic. This was a unique set of circumstances.”
and
> He admitted: “There was a lot of intelligence that people would actively seek out Maccabi fans and seek violence towards them.
> “There was a range of options available. The challenge, particularly, was that the Maccabi fans would target the community. This was all forming part of the heat of the situation.”
Weren’t they responsible for several hooligan incidents this season alone? Including one the very European game before the Villa match?
I think everyone would be happier if everyone did end up having a big riot, then we could point fingers rather than this grasping at straws.
They were banned, end of. Move on and get over it.
Why do the media keep trying to make this a thing? A notoriously violent set of football fanatics attending a game in a region with a lot of people with a background in countries that have a highly volatile relationship with the team’s country of origin – it sounds like a recipe for disaster. It really seems like the cops actually doing their job and trying to proactively prevent public disorder.
Headline seems weird given the Police said today they planned to allow fans (busing them in and out) but the main factor for banning was very senior level Police in the Netherlands telling them about their concerns about the Maccabi fans not just attacking fans of the other team but that they would target the locals not involved in football which made it much higher risk. And that Israel did not (maybe does not as a policy) respond to multiple attempts for contact so they could coordinate selling tickets to only the non hooligans/ultras.
Multiple times MPs in the committee kept trying to imply the headline above was the only piece of intelligence the police had despite the police giving countless other examples of intelligence that the Maccabi fans were causing problems and explicitly stating the reason for the ban, the evidence that changed their strategy to a ban, was the Netherlands Police warning which the MPs claim is now contradicted, referring to a report prompted by a Netherlands Politician not the Police and despite the Police union in the Netherlands backing up the claims of the UK Police on the evidence they received from the Netherlands.
Watching that committee you could see all those MPs wanted was to make this a political issue, pressuring the Police and Council to say that they had been politically pressured/influenced by the ‘far left’ despite the Police and Council repeatedly stating this was not the case each time. They’ve wasted multiple multi-hour long committee meetings talking about this trying to make this out as something that it’s not. The MPs tried to push one councillor to start disciplinary proceedings on another councillor who had been against the fans coming despite the decision for the advice being unanimous anyway amongst all the members that could vote. They then started having a go at the Council employee who made the meeting minutes, calling for them to be disciplined because they didn’t include all the intelligence word for word (which the Police gave in separate docs) in the meeting minutes. These people are crazy.