As a man who has been attacked at night on the street, I’m not sure why women are claiming they ‘need a voice’?
I also work in planning and architecture btw. And there’s plenty women.
jeremybeadleshand on
>Ask us what we want
What do you want? Seems like there’s not a lot of suggestions here beyond “lights”
Lostinsidequests2501 on
This is peak middle class nonsense. Streets are not unsafe because of the number of windows or the shape of a bench. They are unsafe because criminals know nothing will happen to them. Years of weak policing soft courts and political cowardice have created places where bad behaviour is normal. Then academics turn up and blame street furniture.
Women do not feel unsafe because cities were designed by men. They feel unsafe because drunks drug users and repeat offenders are allowed to roam with zero consequences. That used to be dealt with properly and surprise surprise people felt safer. You do not fix crime with workshops consultations or buzzwords. You fix it with police on the streets arrests that stick and courts that mean something.
Redesigning parks while ignoring who is actually making them unsafe is a perfect example of how broken public thinking has become. It is easier to blame abstract design than to admit the system has failed at the most basic job which is keeping order.
Deadliftdeadlife on
Street safety aimed at women is a weird one
I bet there’s some crazy statistic that shows women are probably safest walking home alone
Considering the vast majority of VAWG happens at home
I mean whatever makes people safer, sure, but it seems to be ignoring the main issue, who these women go home to
JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo on
If you want to act based on perceptions rather than reality then that seems like a great way to go down that road. It’s more important to _be_ safe than to _feel_ safe, and with being safe being an objective measure, you have the luxury of being able to make data-led decisions rather than feelings-led decisions. There will be literal data for how streetlights affect crime, for example.
AnalTinnitus on
The last time I asked a woman what she wanted, she said “I don’t mind” and then got angry at me for choosing something she didn’t want.
concretepigeon on
This sort of thing is why nothing gets built in the country.
FlaviousTiberius on
>”When designing cities, it is usually men, there is the assumption that safety is similar for everyone but perception of safety is different for women,” she told the BBC.
Why frame it in such a pointlessly divisive way? Men by and large are the main victims of various forms of violent crime. I’ve certainly experienced forms of it, I’ve known guys who’ve been randomly attacked and put in hospital for absolutely no reason.
These people just live in an online bubble, it’s not cities being designed to victimise women, its because these things usually cost money to build and maintain.
SidneySmut on
Maybe having more lighting in towns would help. Some town centres are very dimly lit.
ntzm_ on
Fucking hell this sub is a shithole, full of men explaining what women _actually_ want. Idiots.
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As a man who has been attacked at night on the street, I’m not sure why women are claiming they ‘need a voice’?
I also work in planning and architecture btw. And there’s plenty women.
>Ask us what we want
What do you want? Seems like there’s not a lot of suggestions here beyond “lights”
This is peak middle class nonsense. Streets are not unsafe because of the number of windows or the shape of a bench. They are unsafe because criminals know nothing will happen to them. Years of weak policing soft courts and political cowardice have created places where bad behaviour is normal. Then academics turn up and blame street furniture.
Women do not feel unsafe because cities were designed by men. They feel unsafe because drunks drug users and repeat offenders are allowed to roam with zero consequences. That used to be dealt with properly and surprise surprise people felt safer. You do not fix crime with workshops consultations or buzzwords. You fix it with police on the streets arrests that stick and courts that mean something.
Redesigning parks while ignoring who is actually making them unsafe is a perfect example of how broken public thinking has become. It is easier to blame abstract design than to admit the system has failed at the most basic job which is keeping order.
Street safety aimed at women is a weird one
I bet there’s some crazy statistic that shows women are probably safest walking home alone
Considering the vast majority of VAWG happens at home
I mean whatever makes people safer, sure, but it seems to be ignoring the main issue, who these women go home to
If you want to act based on perceptions rather than reality then that seems like a great way to go down that road. It’s more important to _be_ safe than to _feel_ safe, and with being safe being an objective measure, you have the luxury of being able to make data-led decisions rather than feelings-led decisions. There will be literal data for how streetlights affect crime, for example.
The last time I asked a woman what she wanted, she said “I don’t mind” and then got angry at me for choosing something she didn’t want.
This sort of thing is why nothing gets built in the country.
>”When designing cities, it is usually men, there is the assumption that safety is similar for everyone but perception of safety is different for women,” she told the BBC.
Why frame it in such a pointlessly divisive way? Men by and large are the main victims of various forms of violent crime. I’ve certainly experienced forms of it, I’ve known guys who’ve been randomly attacked and put in hospital for absolutely no reason.
These people just live in an online bubble, it’s not cities being designed to victimise women, its because these things usually cost money to build and maintain.
Maybe having more lighting in towns would help. Some town centres are very dimly lit.
Fucking hell this sub is a shithole, full of men explaining what women _actually_ want. Idiots.