The issue is that the proposed laws may have affected free speech in ordinary discourse. That said, there needs to be a banning of specific slogans such as the one NSW is seeking to ban.
Fairbsy on
This is devolving quickly. Everyone was shouting at once and Labor tried to please everyone which meant making a law that:
* Doesn’t allow for hate speech
* Except hate speech in holy books
* Except hate speech in *that** holy book
* Doesn’t turn us into a police state focused on thoughtcrime
* Also solves the root cause of the Bondi attack
They can’t win all of the above so they’ve cut the last priority and are trying to figure out which of the remaining list to legislate.
**’that’ depends on who you’re asking*
ENG_NR on
Not that I’m Jewish, but still need to point out – not all Jews wanted these hate speech laws. Many of them also had serious concerns about freedom of speech for all Australians including themselves.
We need to protect Australian citizens. We have extremely powerful laws around terrorism and treason (a foreign power using physical force within Australia). Hizb ut-Tahrir are literally funded by Iran (reported by The Age mid 2024), banned in so many countries, and are publicly defying any attempt to stop them. ASIO and the AFP need to get in there and apply our existing laws, to shut down Hizb ut-Tahrir and root out anyone else suspected of inciting or conspiring to commit violence.
The_Scrabbler on
This is what happens when directionless anti-Albo and anti-Labor sentiments have to put their money where their mouth is – absolutely farcical
anyone1728 on
So let me get this straight- the Jewish Community who endlessly attacked albo, booed him when he went to Bondi and cosied up to the coalition, are annoyed at Labor because the Coalition won’t pass a bill. Do they realise how dumb that looks?
ConsciousPattern3074 on
This whole topic is becoming a complete debacle and is showing even more that Labor is the only party that is serious about governing.
Whether Albo and the government could have done more in the lead up to Bondi has turned into a partisan issue which is ok. However what has been telling is that the right, the media and what seems like the public have demanded action. The government being responsive, which is what a democracy should be, has reacted with legalisation as requested. Then all other parties that demanded action rejected it because they don’t like bits of it.
Government is about compromise not ideological purity. There are many countries with grid lock in their legislature. Please don’t let this happen here as democracies break when compromise is always rejected.
Few-Gas3143 on
I really hate the current trend of calling Israeli apologists by the moniker Jewish Leaders. It’s deliberately creating a false equivalence between criticism of Israeli actions with antisemitism.
Excellent_Orange6346 on
Well, they probably need to check in with thorpy to get his input. And all the other Toadies. Go talk to your mates in liberal party for the real answer.
Adventurous-Jump-370 on
that whats happens when you are more instead in scoring points for your side on politics than actually helping.
Ragemonster93 on
This is political theatre all round and once again Albo looks like he’s won. The Coalition used this as an issue they could start actually getting some mud to stick on the government with, and Labor responded by doing what they are saying they want and daring them to support it. Now worst case if the Jewish community continues to be mad at labor they can point to the laws they tried to pass which the Coalition refused to pass, and then quietly pass the parts of the legislation they actually want (probably the gun control stuff) and handball the rest to a Senate committee or royal commission.
MyMudEye on
I love that we can’t have hate speech laws because it would infringe on religious beliefs.
Seems like this is mainly a problem for the abrahamic religions. Apparently they chose the god of war and storms from the Canaanite pantheon of gods, and this is what we get.
There’s no hate speech in The Satanic Temple, the 7 tenets don’t allow for it.
Cpt_Riker on
The pro-Israel lobby are very disappointed that laws making it illegal to expose Israel’s hate crimes, by calling all criticism of Israel ‘anti-semitic’, won’t pass.
And any hate speech law that excludes religious hate speech will fail on day one. Simply wrap your hatred around a religious sermon, as priests have been doing for millennia, and you will be fine.
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The issue is that the proposed laws may have affected free speech in ordinary discourse. That said, there needs to be a banning of specific slogans such as the one NSW is seeking to ban.
This is devolving quickly. Everyone was shouting at once and Labor tried to please everyone which meant making a law that:
* Doesn’t allow for hate speech
* Except hate speech in holy books
* Except hate speech in *that** holy book
* Doesn’t turn us into a police state focused on thoughtcrime
* Also solves the root cause of the Bondi attack
They can’t win all of the above so they’ve cut the last priority and are trying to figure out which of the remaining list to legislate.
**’that’ depends on who you’re asking*
Not that I’m Jewish, but still need to point out – not all Jews wanted these hate speech laws. Many of them also had serious concerns about freedom of speech for all Australians including themselves.
We need to protect Australian citizens. We have extremely powerful laws around terrorism and treason (a foreign power using physical force within Australia). Hizb ut-Tahrir are literally funded by Iran (reported by The Age mid 2024), banned in so many countries, and are publicly defying any attempt to stop them. ASIO and the AFP need to get in there and apply our existing laws, to shut down Hizb ut-Tahrir and root out anyone else suspected of inciting or conspiring to commit violence.
This is what happens when directionless anti-Albo and anti-Labor sentiments have to put their money where their mouth is – absolutely farcical
So let me get this straight- the Jewish Community who endlessly attacked albo, booed him when he went to Bondi and cosied up to the coalition, are annoyed at Labor because the Coalition won’t pass a bill. Do they realise how dumb that looks?
This whole topic is becoming a complete debacle and is showing even more that Labor is the only party that is serious about governing.
Whether Albo and the government could have done more in the lead up to Bondi has turned into a partisan issue which is ok. However what has been telling is that the right, the media and what seems like the public have demanded action. The government being responsive, which is what a democracy should be, has reacted with legalisation as requested. Then all other parties that demanded action rejected it because they don’t like bits of it.
Government is about compromise not ideological purity. There are many countries with grid lock in their legislature. Please don’t let this happen here as democracies break when compromise is always rejected.
I really hate the current trend of calling Israeli apologists by the moniker Jewish Leaders. It’s deliberately creating a false equivalence between criticism of Israeli actions with antisemitism.
Well, they probably need to check in with thorpy to get his input. And all the other Toadies. Go talk to your mates in liberal party for the real answer.
that whats happens when you are more instead in scoring points for your side on politics than actually helping.
This is political theatre all round and once again Albo looks like he’s won. The Coalition used this as an issue they could start actually getting some mud to stick on the government with, and Labor responded by doing what they are saying they want and daring them to support it. Now worst case if the Jewish community continues to be mad at labor they can point to the laws they tried to pass which the Coalition refused to pass, and then quietly pass the parts of the legislation they actually want (probably the gun control stuff) and handball the rest to a Senate committee or royal commission.
I love that we can’t have hate speech laws because it would infringe on religious beliefs.
Seems like this is mainly a problem for the abrahamic religions. Apparently they chose the god of war and storms from the Canaanite pantheon of gods, and this is what we get.
There’s no hate speech in The Satanic Temple, the 7 tenets don’t allow for it.
The pro-Israel lobby are very disappointed that laws making it illegal to expose Israel’s hate crimes, by calling all criticism of Israel ‘anti-semitic’, won’t pass.
And any hate speech law that excludes religious hate speech will fail on day one. Simply wrap your hatred around a religious sermon, as priests have been doing for millennia, and you will be fine.