Polish President Karol Nawrocki has said that Auschwitz “might not have happened” if the world had reacted sooner to Nazi crimes in occupied Poland, accusing Western Europe of indifference in the early years of World War II.
Polish President Karol Nawrocki has said that Auschwitz “might not have happened” if the world had reacted sooner to Nazi crimes in occupied Poland, accusing Western Europe of indifference in the early years of World War II.
Jesus Christ that headline really should have been worded better. Way to make the start sound like the president of Poland is questioning if the really Holocaust happened…
supercyberlurker on
I feel like he’s really actually talking about the future more than the past.
BitsOfReality on
EU is attacked from all sides by hostile powers, but our great former football hooligan president decides to poke old scars and throw some mud on our only real friends. Classy, truly a deserving candidate for Trumps Hoard of Piss.
9ersaur on
Is he saying Poland should care more about ukraine?
The20thKa-tet on
I had my pitchfork raised halfway through that headline 😂
GabettiXCV on
That was overall a very minor point in his speech, which is overwhelmingly yet another tirade on how the evil Federal Republic of Germany should pay reparations and the usual nationalist nonsense.
Not to mention Britain and France’s entire reason for being at war was a defensive alliance and in 1939-41, the period Nawrocki is complaining about, they were tragically busy getting their arses kicked across Europe and Africa. It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying that they failed to prevent the Holocaust.
Noobunaga86 on
And yet he is very eager to join the Trump’s “Peace” Board which is basically focused right now on building Dubai-like resort for rich people on the graveyard of the Palestinians.
corgi-king on
He is right. This is happening in Ukraine now. I blame Obama and EU did next to nothing when Putin invaded Crimea.
CrayZ_Squirrel on
is this supposed to be a controversial opinion?
Less_Potential9146 on
There’s a real conversation to be had about Western Europe dragging its feet early on, but this ain’t it. Feels clumsy at best and inflammatory at worst.
DelayedBih on
I agree most of the world didn’t care what hitler was doing in Germany until he started trying to gain more lands that’s when people couldn’t turn there heads anymore
Genocode on
Not really indifference, but the idea that someone like Hitler could be placated by just giving them the thing they want, and hoping they won’t ask for more.
Cczaphod on
That’s like saying some unpredicted future atrocity could be avoided by “the world” intervening in Minnesota or Arizona. There’s no predicting the escalation even today when there are six phone camera angles on every crime perpetrated by government goons.
Vagrant0012 on
Not gonna lie he had me in the first half
Dramatic-Secret937 on
I think this had been a matter of contention for a long time and is common knowledge
macross1984 on
Well, hindsight is 20-20 you know.
Seoulja4life on
They had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Realistic-Homework19 on
Eh yeah, almost all of Western Europe was kind of occupied.
AmaGh05T on
Bit late? Unless he’s referring to something more current, quite a few to choose from now.
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gratefulbill1 on
Listen up America, the echoes are LOUD
thanosbananos on
Count the polish population in too, they were the ones snitching on polish jews
Kazik77 on
That sentence is a waste of oxygen.
Auschwitz “might not have happened” if some Brit had better aim in WW1!
bagpulistu on
Umm… Western Europe declared war on Sep 3rd 1939. Guess who made profits for two years selling arms and supplies to the British and only reacted in 1941?
KenUsimi on
He is absolutely correct.
Ok-Concentrate5123 on
Does this guy know that Poland actually annexed part of Czechoslovakia together with Germany?
IShouldntBeHere258 on
This is not controversial. He’s stating the obvious.
DaveyGee16 on
Ehhhh the allied forces at the start of the war dwarfed the German forces. Germany would have been stuck fighting a two front war if the allies had gone on the offensive.
But the planning for France and Great Britain in case of a new war was one of bleeding Germany dry. The had strong arms forces but they were built around holding the line, static fighting. The plan was to force Germany into attrition while at the same time starving it of resources.
On the surface, it made sense, particularly since the French had laid considerable groundwork to do just that.
The allies had more tanks, more planes, more men and more material. Germany shouldn’t have stood a chance, but the French and British wanted to avoid the horrors of the First World War and planned on visiting those horrors on Germany alone by preparing for them well in advance.
The Polish president isn’t wrong. Germany would have been in an even worse position if the allies hadn’t allowed the Sudetenland to happen, and the French were roaring to go, but the British were not looking to go to war and wanted to give peace one more chance. It is important to note that Hitler planned for the Sudentenland crisis to be the start of the war. He was surprised the allies actually allowed him to take over the Sudetenland and even more surprised when the allies didn’t intervene when he invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia.
What the Polish president seems to forget however, is that Poland was an active participant in the non-reaction against Hitler, indeed Poland participated in the dismembering of Czechoslovakia. It had issues with Czechoslovakia that went all the way back to the 1920s and it took the opportunity to annex land that was part of Czechoslovakia for two reasons: Poland wanted a land border with Hungary and it feared Soviet intervention more than German intervention. The Soviets were ready and willing to help Czechoslovakia, Poland refused to allow them transit. Poland was more comfortable with a rump state as it’s neighbour. It was a perspective and course of action from Poland that would worse it’s position the year after when it faced Germany isolated.
There are plenty of errors to go around for the failure to stop Hitler when he was easy to stop (Ruhr Remilitarization, Sudentenland Crisis, Repudiation of the armed forces limitations, and a few more). Some of them are Polish.
Potential_Figure4061 on
i have no idea how any of you are reading “might not have happened” as anything other then it says. literally says if directly next.
come on guys.
PurifyingElemental on
The title is a rollercoaster of emotions
-Cinnay- on
Is that not a basic historical fact? At least regarding WW2.
GrumpyOldDad65 on
He’s not wrong. Wake-up call for USA.
MrFaves on
I think we can definitively say that it wouldn’t have happened but I appreciate the attempt at critical thinking
whocares_honestly on
Nawrocki renewed his calls for Germany to pay reparations for the devastation of World War II.
“To this day, the German state has not paid reparations to Poland for the evil of the Second World War. This is not how a world of peace is built,” he said.
Here we go again…..
coldbreweddude on
Does he not realize that war is big business and many wealthy families and their cronies were hugely profiting off WWII? There’s no incentive there to stop it. The USA wouldn’t have even gotten involved at all if the Pearl Harbor attack wasn’t orchestrated and allowed to happen.
Pappadacus on
And of course he continues crying about how the 99% of Germans who were not involved should pay reparations to the 99% of Poles who were not involved again.
The-Board-Chairman on
What does he mean “reacted” sooner? They were literally at war the moment Poland got invaded.
artbystorms on
Pretty much no historian would argue that Western Europe had plenty of opportunities to stop Hitler and instead appeased him for way too long, due to a distaste for conflict after WW1. Hell, France could have basically single handedly ended it if they defended the Rhineland but they were paralyzed by political infighting.
down_side_up_sideway on
It’s almost like there’s some sort of parallel.
dontneedaknow on
I mean might as well, why not…
Appeasement was what we call it literally.
Thump604 on
We are here, again.
Practical_Jacket_478 on
Well, can’t change the past, but maybe we can learn from it for the future or the present even.
laser50 on
Just like we have done f all for ukraine? There’s a whole lot of people there being killed in combat and/or outright murdered too.
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Glad I kept reading that sentence
Jesus Christ that headline really should have been worded better. Way to make the start sound like the president of Poland is questioning if the really Holocaust happened…
I feel like he’s really actually talking about the future more than the past.
EU is attacked from all sides by hostile powers, but our great former football hooligan president decides to poke old scars and throw some mud on our only real friends. Classy, truly a deserving candidate for Trumps Hoard of Piss.
Is he saying Poland should care more about ukraine?
I had my pitchfork raised halfway through that headline 😂
That was overall a very minor point in his speech, which is overwhelmingly yet another tirade on how the evil Federal Republic of Germany should pay reparations and the usual nationalist nonsense.
Not to mention Britain and France’s entire reason for being at war was a defensive alliance and in 1939-41, the period Nawrocki is complaining about, they were tragically busy getting their arses kicked across Europe and Africa. It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying that they failed to prevent the Holocaust.
And yet he is very eager to join the Trump’s “Peace” Board which is basically focused right now on building Dubai-like resort for rich people on the graveyard of the Palestinians.
He is right. This is happening in Ukraine now. I blame Obama and EU did next to nothing when Putin invaded Crimea.
is this supposed to be a controversial opinion?
There’s a real conversation to be had about Western Europe dragging its feet early on, but this ain’t it. Feels clumsy at best and inflammatory at worst.
I agree most of the world didn’t care what hitler was doing in Germany until he started trying to gain more lands that’s when people couldn’t turn there heads anymore
Not really indifference, but the idea that someone like Hitler could be placated by just giving them the thing they want, and hoping they won’t ask for more.
That’s like saying some unpredicted future atrocity could be avoided by “the world” intervening in Minnesota or Arizona. There’s no predicting the escalation even today when there are six phone camera angles on every crime perpetrated by government goons.
Not gonna lie he had me in the first half
I think this had been a matter of contention for a long time and is common knowledge
Well, hindsight is 20-20 you know.
They had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Eh yeah, almost all of Western Europe was kind of occupied.
Bit late? Unless he’s referring to something more current, quite a few to choose from now.
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Listen up America, the echoes are LOUD
Count the polish population in too, they were the ones snitching on polish jews
That sentence is a waste of oxygen.
Auschwitz “might not have happened” if some Brit had better aim in WW1!
Umm… Western Europe declared war on Sep 3rd 1939. Guess who made profits for two years selling arms and supplies to the British and only reacted in 1941?
He is absolutely correct.
Does this guy know that Poland actually annexed part of Czechoslovakia together with Germany?
This is not controversial. He’s stating the obvious.
Ehhhh the allied forces at the start of the war dwarfed the German forces. Germany would have been stuck fighting a two front war if the allies had gone on the offensive.
But the planning for France and Great Britain in case of a new war was one of bleeding Germany dry. The had strong arms forces but they were built around holding the line, static fighting. The plan was to force Germany into attrition while at the same time starving it of resources.
On the surface, it made sense, particularly since the French had laid considerable groundwork to do just that.
The allies had more tanks, more planes, more men and more material. Germany shouldn’t have stood a chance, but the French and British wanted to avoid the horrors of the First World War and planned on visiting those horrors on Germany alone by preparing for them well in advance.
The Polish president isn’t wrong. Germany would have been in an even worse position if the allies hadn’t allowed the Sudetenland to happen, and the French were roaring to go, but the British were not looking to go to war and wanted to give peace one more chance. It is important to note that Hitler planned for the Sudentenland crisis to be the start of the war. He was surprised the allies actually allowed him to take over the Sudetenland and even more surprised when the allies didn’t intervene when he invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia.
What the Polish president seems to forget however, is that Poland was an active participant in the non-reaction against Hitler, indeed Poland participated in the dismembering of Czechoslovakia. It had issues with Czechoslovakia that went all the way back to the 1920s and it took the opportunity to annex land that was part of Czechoslovakia for two reasons: Poland wanted a land border with Hungary and it feared Soviet intervention more than German intervention. The Soviets were ready and willing to help Czechoslovakia, Poland refused to allow them transit. Poland was more comfortable with a rump state as it’s neighbour. It was a perspective and course of action from Poland that would worse it’s position the year after when it faced Germany isolated.
There are plenty of errors to go around for the failure to stop Hitler when he was easy to stop (Ruhr Remilitarization, Sudentenland Crisis, Repudiation of the armed forces limitations, and a few more). Some of them are Polish.
i have no idea how any of you are reading “might not have happened” as anything other then it says. literally says if directly next.
come on guys.
The title is a rollercoaster of emotions
Is that not a basic historical fact? At least regarding WW2.
He’s not wrong. Wake-up call for USA.
I think we can definitively say that it wouldn’t have happened but I appreciate the attempt at critical thinking
Nawrocki renewed his calls for Germany to pay reparations for the devastation of World War II.
“To this day, the German state has not paid reparations to Poland for the evil of the Second World War. This is not how a world of peace is built,” he said.
Here we go again…..
Does he not realize that war is big business and many wealthy families and their cronies were hugely profiting off WWII? There’s no incentive there to stop it. The USA wouldn’t have even gotten involved at all if the Pearl Harbor attack wasn’t orchestrated and allowed to happen.
And of course he continues crying about how the 99% of Germans who were not involved should pay reparations to the 99% of Poles who were not involved again.
What does he mean “reacted” sooner? They were literally at war the moment Poland got invaded.
Pretty much no historian would argue that Western Europe had plenty of opportunities to stop Hitler and instead appeased him for way too long, due to a distaste for conflict after WW1. Hell, France could have basically single handedly ended it if they defended the Rhineland but they were paralyzed by political infighting.
It’s almost like there’s some sort of parallel.
I mean might as well, why not…
Appeasement was what we call it literally.
We are here, again.
Well, can’t change the past, but maybe we can learn from it for the future or the present even.
Just like we have done f all for ukraine? There’s a whole lot of people there being killed in combat and/or outright murdered too.
“MIGHT not”???