This is posted here because this deal was signed by the federal government. It may largely concern BC but the deal was the product of the federal government of Canada, thus it is national news.
Standard_Program7042 on
I like how they down play it by saying they want to be partners.. not sure most homeowners are looking for partners, personally I’m married and already pay property taxes
voltairesalias on
Did they prove their territorial claim with severed heads like the Richmond land claim?
shiftless_wonder on
Anyone thinking they have the ‘facts’ on this file is deluding themselves.
NewAdventureTomorrow on
This only covers the first agreement. The other two agreements were finally made available to the public at the following webpage the the other day. Only took a week and a bit.
>Canada will transfer $10 million to Musqueam to establish a Musqueam Stewardship Fund
Odd to transfer the money to Musqueam rather than hold it in a trust. I have to wonder if there will be transparency with regards to how the fund monies will be spent.
>establish the Stewardship and Marine Management Working Group and Marine Emergency Management Working Group
Great more unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>The Parties agree that new approaches to fisheries management will, where possible, include Musqueam traditional and ecological knowledge as part of evidence based collaborative management of fisheries resources.
A move away from science-based decisions.
>The Musqueam-Canada Fisheries and Marine Management Advisory Committee is established and its representatives appointed in accordance with section 5.4 of this Agreement.
Another unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>The Musqueam-Canada Fisheries Working Group is established and its representatives appointed in accordance with section 6.12 of this agreement.
And another unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>The Fisheries Working Group will be comprised of three members from Musqueam and three members from DFO.
Not a single representative from the recreational fishing community, a conservation group, or even a industry fishing lobbyist.
>The Parties agree that the financial resources provided by DFO will be considered as a part of incremental implementation by Canada to address Musqueam’s Rights and Title.
More funding but this time the amount is not specified. The news release said this agreement will pay for “access, vessels and gear” but none of that is publicly disclosed in this agreement.
The--Majestic--Goose on
Article: don’t fall for the alarmist bullshit about this agreement handing over private property.Â
This sub: fuck that shit, sound the alarm!
ubiquitousmush on
I’m not interested in handing over Canadian land to any foreign govt. Not the US, nor the Musqueam, nor the Cowichan, nor Alberta separatists, nor Quebec separatists. This land is Canada’s land, it’s equally all Canadian citizen’s land and no one else’s.
thatguydowntheblock on
More gaslighting
neondaggergames on
Oh good, the totally unbiased fact-checkers are here to reassure us our heard-earned common sense about wildly throwing opaque agreements on “land title” and “co-management of resources” is of absolutely zero consequence to us little worker bees. Phew… won’t have to ask questions or use our minds. Disaster averted!
Chusten on
People have been getting so mad without understanding that we’re going to be alright. This is a good thing for our city’s culture in the long run. Nobody’s home or business is getting taken away.
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This is posted here because this deal was signed by the federal government. It may largely concern BC but the deal was the product of the federal government of Canada, thus it is national news.
I like how they down play it by saying they want to be partners.. not sure most homeowners are looking for partners, personally I’m married and already pay property taxes
Did they prove their territorial claim with severed heads like the Richmond land claim?
Anyone thinking they have the ‘facts’ on this file is deluding themselves.
This only covers the first agreement. The other two agreements were finally made available to the public at the following webpage the the other day. Only took a week and a bit.
https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100030285/1529354158736
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In the [2nd agreement](https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1772652643312/1772652666370):
>Canada will transfer $10 million to Musqueam to establish a Musqueam Stewardship Fund
Odd to transfer the money to Musqueam rather than hold it in a trust. I have to wonder if there will be transparency with regards to how the fund monies will be spent.
>establish the Stewardship and Marine Management Working Group and Marine Emergency Management Working Group
Great more unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>operate by Consensus.
Aka veto.
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In the [3rd agreement](https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1772651240358/1772651272609):
>The Parties agree that new approaches to fisheries management will, where possible, include Musqueam traditional and ecological knowledge as part of evidence based collaborative management of fisheries resources.
A move away from science-based decisions.
>The Musqueam-Canada Fisheries and Marine Management Advisory Committee is established and its representatives appointed in accordance with section 5.4 of this Agreement.
Another unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>The Musqueam-Canada Fisheries Working Group is established and its representatives appointed in accordance with section 6.12 of this agreement.
And another unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that will occur in closed door secret meetings.
>The Fisheries Working Group will be comprised of three members from Musqueam and three members from DFO.
Not a single representative from the recreational fishing community, a conservation group, or even a industry fishing lobbyist.
>The Parties agree that the financial resources provided by DFO will be considered as a part of incremental implementation by Canada to address Musqueam’s Rights and Title.
More funding but this time the amount is not specified. The news release said this agreement will pay for “access, vessels and gear” but none of that is publicly disclosed in this agreement.
Article: don’t fall for the alarmist bullshit about this agreement handing over private property.Â
This sub: fuck that shit, sound the alarm!
I’m not interested in handing over Canadian land to any foreign govt. Not the US, nor the Musqueam, nor the Cowichan, nor Alberta separatists, nor Quebec separatists. This land is Canada’s land, it’s equally all Canadian citizen’s land and no one else’s.
More gaslighting
Oh good, the totally unbiased fact-checkers are here to reassure us our heard-earned common sense about wildly throwing opaque agreements on “land title” and “co-management of resources” is of absolutely zero consequence to us little worker bees. Phew… won’t have to ask questions or use our minds. Disaster averted!
People have been getting so mad without understanding that we’re going to be alright. This is a good thing for our city’s culture in the long run. Nobody’s home or business is getting taken away.
blood and soil right