>Lib Dem leader will tell spring conference Britain can no longer rely on US while Donald Trump is president
>Britain should have a completely independent nuclear deterrent as it can no longer rely on the US, Ed Davey is expected to say on Sunday.
>In a speech at the Liberal Democrats spring conference, the party leader will argue that the UK should manufacture and maintain its nuclear weapons in Britain, a move that Davey acknowledges will cost billions.
TubeframeMR2 on
Reach out to Australia, Canada, New Zealand and develop a four eyes solution.
tommytraddles on
France’s determination to maintain completely independent nuclear command and control may be the only thing that saves the world.
Imagine that.
Dockers4flag2035orB4 on
I thought the UK had a nuclear deterrent.
In fact since 1952.
DarthKrataa on
Feel like this is a case of “politician says things public will nod at” rather than anything serious.
Our nuclear Subs are built around the Trident system, so really what Ed Davey is saying is that he wants a completely new system at the expense of the tax payer. Thats the bit he doesn’t say out loud. The replacement for Vanguard, the Dreadnought class is already all being built around the Trident system. To change this up and develop our own missiles system would involve an astronomical cost and take years.
He also doesn’t mention that Trident is actually a bit more of a joint UK/US system, under the Polaris agreement and the US-UK mutual defence agreement we buy the missiles from a joint US/UK pool of missiles that are maintained and built by the Americans but the UK pays into the system. There is also a degree of involvement from the UK in the development of the Trident system, i won’t pretend we’re doing anything near as much as the Americans but we do contribute.
We still develop our own warheads and we do have fully independent command and control systems over our nuclear weapons. We could say that our nuclear weapons capability is operationally fully independent form the United States but is somewhat industrially dependent on the United States.
Now we could (Should i my view) develop our own nuclear weapons system for the F-35 platform that is doable but he is specifically talking about missiles.
So, what Edd Davy is suggesting would take years to develop, break several existing agreements, cost billions and undermine UK security…..but it sounds good on the Sunday morning politics shows so fuck it.
AnastasiaWookieTits on
things keep up, they’ll be looking for a nuclear deterrent to the US
Gimedecash on
So does Canada.
zomboscott on
Arms race!
SufficientAnonymity on
We’d be better off partnered with France. Build a European nuclear umbrella.
hypercomms2001 on
It’s gonna be very hard for the British to have a completely independent nuclear defence system given almost 70 years of co-oporation between America and Britain in their respective nuclear weapons development…. And so America can legally claim intellectual property. On some of the technologies that were jointly developed….. a really massive problem…. I am not sure how. They can get around this….. the only way perhaps if the United Kingdom and France come to an agreement to join develop nuclear weapons, in which lawyers have gone through and identified technologies that were jointly developed with the United States…..and some how equivalent technologies that are not originally from American sources….
Darkone539 on
This isn’t evem complex. We only use their missiles and have full access to the designs. With the replacement, we need the maintenance to happen here.
Problem solved.
Robthebold on
Thanks for the nuclear arms race don.
Lower_Ad_1317 on
Just remember, people like him, who will never have to worry about himself or his family being involved in conflicts. Will rattle somebody else sabre for ~~clicks~~ votes.
Don’t be sucked into the collective insanity.
Animated_effigy on
“The return to tribalism”
Just like Epstiens email said. Its like this is all scripted at this point.
crimxxx on
Welcome to the obvious outcome from changing status quo. People don’t trust the US and really the only way to deter a major power, is basically having a way to not make it worth it. Basically France being independent nuclear power has worked out surprisingly well in the more recent times, but ultimately that moral of the story is you want to have your own nukes for protection cause you can’t control your partners. If I was most countries with the means I would basically in secret develop them then when they are done and u have a stockpile say you have them for defensive purposes. No one wants others to build them, but once they are there you can’t really do much about it. Not great for the world, only takes one unhinged person to cause huge issues. But in a country level it can be a very strong shield.
>Warheads: The warheads are designed and manufactured by the British Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) in Aldermaston and Burghfield.
>Firing Authority: The UK maintains absolute sovereign control over the decision to launch. Only the British Prime Minister can authorize the use of its nuclear weapons, even when they are assigned to the defense of NATO
>
kardashev on
Don’t we all?
Unfair_Bluejay_9687 on
The nukes Canada is sitting on for America,don’t kid yourself into believing that they’re not here, will be the deterrent for forcing us to become the 51st state. This is what it looks like when America arms the world thinking the recipients won’t bite the hand that “protects” them.
Shrimpdalord on
North Koreans have the foresight.. otherwise, Trump would have attacked them.
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From the article:
>Lib Dem leader will tell spring conference Britain can no longer rely on US while Donald Trump is president
>Britain should have a completely independent nuclear deterrent as it can no longer rely on the US, Ed Davey is expected to say on Sunday.
>In a speech at the Liberal Democrats spring conference, the party leader will argue that the UK should manufacture and maintain its nuclear weapons in Britain, a move that Davey acknowledges will cost billions.
Reach out to Australia, Canada, New Zealand and develop a four eyes solution.
France’s determination to maintain completely independent nuclear command and control may be the only thing that saves the world.
Imagine that.
I thought the UK had a nuclear deterrent.
In fact since 1952.
Feel like this is a case of “politician says things public will nod at” rather than anything serious.
Our nuclear Subs are built around the Trident system, so really what Ed Davey is saying is that he wants a completely new system at the expense of the tax payer. Thats the bit he doesn’t say out loud. The replacement for Vanguard, the Dreadnought class is already all being built around the Trident system. To change this up and develop our own missiles system would involve an astronomical cost and take years.
He also doesn’t mention that Trident is actually a bit more of a joint UK/US system, under the Polaris agreement and the US-UK mutual defence agreement we buy the missiles from a joint US/UK pool of missiles that are maintained and built by the Americans but the UK pays into the system. There is also a degree of involvement from the UK in the development of the Trident system, i won’t pretend we’re doing anything near as much as the Americans but we do contribute.
We still develop our own warheads and we do have fully independent command and control systems over our nuclear weapons. We could say that our nuclear weapons capability is operationally fully independent form the United States but is somewhat industrially dependent on the United States.
Now we could (Should i my view) develop our own nuclear weapons system for the F-35 platform that is doable but he is specifically talking about missiles.
So, what Edd Davy is suggesting would take years to develop, break several existing agreements, cost billions and undermine UK security…..but it sounds good on the Sunday morning politics shows so fuck it.
things keep up, they’ll be looking for a nuclear deterrent to the US
So does Canada.
Arms race!
We’d be better off partnered with France. Build a European nuclear umbrella.
It’s gonna be very hard for the British to have a completely independent nuclear defence system given almost 70 years of co-oporation between America and Britain in their respective nuclear weapons development…. And so America can legally claim intellectual property. On some of the technologies that were jointly developed….. a really massive problem…. I am not sure how. They can get around this….. the only way perhaps if the United Kingdom and France come to an agreement to join develop nuclear weapons, in which lawyers have gone through and identified technologies that were jointly developed with the United States…..and some how equivalent technologies that are not originally from American sources….
This isn’t evem complex. We only use their missiles and have full access to the designs. With the replacement, we need the maintenance to happen here.
Problem solved.
Thanks for the nuclear arms race don.
Just remember, people like him, who will never have to worry about himself or his family being involved in conflicts. Will rattle somebody else sabre for ~~clicks~~ votes.
Don’t be sucked into the collective insanity.
“The return to tribalism”
Just like Epstiens email said. Its like this is all scripted at this point.
Welcome to the obvious outcome from changing status quo. People don’t trust the US and really the only way to deter a major power, is basically having a way to not make it worth it. Basically France being independent nuclear power has worked out surprisingly well in the more recent times, but ultimately that moral of the story is you want to have your own nukes for protection cause you can’t control your partners. If I was most countries with the means I would basically in secret develop them then when they are done and u have a stockpile say you have them for defensive purposes. No one wants others to build them, but once they are there you can’t really do much about it. Not great for the world, only takes one unhinged person to cause huge issues. But in a country level it can be a very strong shield.
Uk already has it own nukes via the submarines..
>Submarines: The UK owns and operates four [Vanguard-class nuclear-powered submarines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard-class_submarine)
>Warheads: The warheads are designed and manufactured by the British Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) in Aldermaston and Burghfield.
>Firing Authority: The UK maintains absolute sovereign control over the decision to launch. Only the British Prime Minister can authorize the use of its nuclear weapons, even when they are assigned to the defense of NATO
>
Don’t we all?
The nukes Canada is sitting on for America,don’t kid yourself into believing that they’re not here, will be the deterrent for forcing us to become the 51st state. This is what it looks like when America arms the world thinking the recipients won’t bite the hand that “protects” them.
North Koreans have the foresight.. otherwise, Trump would have attacked them.