This would be a good plan… with anyone other than the Pedo in Chief. Even if he agreed to this I doubt he’d go through with it
Zizimz on
And he thinks that Trump would actually honor this deal after European ships had started clearing the straight of Hormuz? Have the past 12 months tought him nothing?
Oldest_Boomer on
Who’d be crazy enough to trust someone like Trumpleshitstain with holding up his end of the bargain, unless of course it furthers his efforts towards trillionaire-ship.
90gradi on
a deal with the devil is always a deal with the devil
-lv on
He’d just lie and never fulfil any promise of support for Ukraine.
The Americans can’t be trusted. They elected Trump twice. The US is a failing state.
Mantatoe on
How naive. Trump could never be trusted to keep his word on something like that.
Znarl on
Nice war you got going on over there. Shame if something happened to it.
Only deal Trump understands, blackmail and threats. Speaking his own language.
pehrs on
I like Stubb, and his attempts to find a solution. Problem is… How do you create an agreement that the US will not renegade on the moment it is convenient to the current US regime? And, secondly, how do you convince the 70+% of the European population that are against the war that it’s a good idea to send European soldiers and sailors to kill and die in an attempt to clean up this mess created by Israel and the US?
Catsssssssss on
Many panties in a twist in here.. From the title, “could” does a lot of work in the statement.. I don’t read this as an offer to help at all, but rather a jab at the US Idiot in Chief to remind him that he already showed his ass and blew it to the rest of the world.
ElTejon_TheDestroyer on
And that, ladies & gentlemen, is how a conflict becomes a world war.
Just-Luck-7430 on
how long it will take Europe to realised that Trump wont honor any of his promises
ACompletelyLostCause on
This seems like a public jab at Trump, or a way of deflecting the expected Trump tantrum when nobody turns up to put their ships where America isn’t willing to. It also moves the narritive of ‘NATO won’t help the US’ away from Trump to somewhere else.
TheWellington89 on
Im starting to think these leaders are fucking morons. The guy CANNOT be trusted. A promise or agreement is just the words he says to get what he wants. In his mind he has won so honoring what he agreed is bottom of the priority list. With the dementia creeping in its unlikely he will even remember any deal
arvigeus on
Problem is Europe’s already on Trump’s shitlist – he already said he doesn’t need them. And if there’s one thing he’s been consistent about, it’s doubling down out of spite instead of admitting a better option exists. Hard to make a deal with someone who treats compromise like losing.
Other people pointed out how stupid it is to expect Trump to honor any deal. Best case scenario is Trump to start pushing for capitulation to Russia again, and call it “helping” Ukraine.
thismadhatter on
Needs to be Ukraine first. Send his “big mighty military” to overthrow Russia (1-2 day war, right?) then they will go help.
Putin and his entire government needs to either be locked up, or confirmed obliterated.
bonyponyride on
Why would Putin agree with that deal?
IceMysterious3056 on
Just talk to Iran and make some deals atm It’s the one holding the cards. In the first place, the U.S is the one that attacked Iran…it’s just so wtf.
Melxgibsonx616 on
Why should we trust the Americans? They’re basically asking Europe to sacrifice ships and sailors in Iran so they don’t have to. Plus, this means getting stuck for years in an impossible to win conflict.
Ditch the U.S, and invest in Ukraine.
ExoticSterby42 on
I say let him simmer
box-o-locks on
Don’t trust Trump. He’d back out.
America are very clearly on Russia’s side so they’ll sell Europe (and anyone else) down the river before they help Ukraine.
marmakoide on
Trump doesn’t honor contracts, treaties or promises. He is best left ignored.
SpatulaWholesale on
This is a terrible take.
Trump will want support *now* for a promise of Ukraine support in the *future*. A future he’ll renege on. Count on it.
I honestly don’t think the Europeans are naive enough to actually do this. This guy is probably just playing politics to put the onus on Trump (and Trump is actually too dumb to see the “opportunity”).
d3k3d on
…except Trump will 86 that deal as soon as it’s convenient because he’s a douchebag.
blobofhope on
No. Europe has nothing to do participating an illegal war, the objectives are deescalation, diplomacy and peace.
Orcallo on
not IF…. but AFTER he helps.
heliskinki on
Stupid idea. Supporting one illegal war, while trying to stop another.
Trump wouldn’t help either way.
stopeer on
Yeah, because Trump is such a reliable partner. He will absolutely not go against his word the moment he no longer needs help in Iran.
kawag on
I wonder if there is potential to go the other way?
Maybe we can make a deal with Iran that we _won’t_ interfere, on condition that they stop supplying Russia. I wonder as well if there is room to make a deal with China for the same (not regarding Taiwan – they are too important to us – but this war has fucked over China too).
Trump has thrown the world in to chaos, but there could be opportunities for us here to further isolate Russia.
That is what the Americans would do. That is what a world power would do. Our priority is taking down Russia and we have to take any opportunity that presents itself.
kuemmel234 on
Come on. This is why this all still works for Trump.
Dumb attempts like this.
The trade agreements are working out for everyone, right?
Orzagh on
Demand payment up front and clear consequences for if the conditions aren’t met and I’m all for it.
Corodix on
That would only work if Trump helps Ukraine before Europe ever helps him on Iran, because the other way around there’s no way Trump would actually hold up his end of the deal.
Leather-Objective-87 on
Delusional man
blighander on
It would be a good suggestion, if the other party acts in good faith. However…
peatoire on
Trump is completely untrustworthy and his word is worth nothing. That should be patently obvious by now.
Cyzax007 on
Trump is as trustworthy as Putin… it is useless trying to make agreements with him.
It needs to be transactional… Maybe say that once he has transferred weapons, money or other services to Ukraine worth 1 trillion US dollars, starting from now, then we will help negotiate an end to the Iran war for him.
If we include a promise not to prosecute him in Europe for his crimes with Epstein, he might jump at it 😀
captain-lowrider on
c’mon pres trump. let’s make a deal finally!!
CountryFriedSteak78 on
He’d have to reinstate those oil sanctions on Russia first.
DecisiveVictory on
Get trump to pay upfront and then it’s a maybe. But we know he will renege any deal he makes while insulting us.
Street-Stick on
Don’t offer deals to a crook, a drowning man will pull you down with him..
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This would be a good plan… with anyone other than the Pedo in Chief. Even if he agreed to this I doubt he’d go through with it
And he thinks that Trump would actually honor this deal after European ships had started clearing the straight of Hormuz? Have the past 12 months tought him nothing?
Who’d be crazy enough to trust someone like Trumpleshitstain with holding up his end of the bargain, unless of course it furthers his efforts towards trillionaire-ship.
a deal with the devil is always a deal with the devil
He’d just lie and never fulfil any promise of support for Ukraine.
The Americans can’t be trusted. They elected Trump twice. The US is a failing state.
How naive. Trump could never be trusted to keep his word on something like that.
Nice war you got going on over there. Shame if something happened to it.
Only deal Trump understands, blackmail and threats. Speaking his own language.
I like Stubb, and his attempts to find a solution. Problem is… How do you create an agreement that the US will not renegade on the moment it is convenient to the current US regime? And, secondly, how do you convince the 70+% of the European population that are against the war that it’s a good idea to send European soldiers and sailors to kill and die in an attempt to clean up this mess created by Israel and the US?
Many panties in a twist in here.. From the title, “could” does a lot of work in the statement.. I don’t read this as an offer to help at all, but rather a jab at the US Idiot in Chief to remind him that he already showed his ass and blew it to the rest of the world.
And that, ladies & gentlemen, is how a conflict becomes a world war.
how long it will take Europe to realised that Trump wont honor any of his promises
This seems like a public jab at Trump, or a way of deflecting the expected Trump tantrum when nobody turns up to put their ships where America isn’t willing to. It also moves the narritive of ‘NATO won’t help the US’ away from Trump to somewhere else.
Im starting to think these leaders are fucking morons. The guy CANNOT be trusted. A promise or agreement is just the words he says to get what he wants. In his mind he has won so honoring what he agreed is bottom of the priority list. With the dementia creeping in its unlikely he will even remember any deal
Problem is Europe’s already on Trump’s shitlist – he already said he doesn’t need them. And if there’s one thing he’s been consistent about, it’s doubling down out of spite instead of admitting a better option exists. Hard to make a deal with someone who treats compromise like losing.
Other people pointed out how stupid it is to expect Trump to honor any deal. Best case scenario is Trump to start pushing for capitulation to Russia again, and call it “helping” Ukraine.
Needs to be Ukraine first. Send his “big mighty military” to overthrow Russia (1-2 day war, right?) then they will go help.
Putin and his entire government needs to either be locked up, or confirmed obliterated.
Why would Putin agree with that deal?
Just talk to Iran and make some deals atm It’s the one holding the cards. In the first place, the U.S is the one that attacked Iran…it’s just so wtf.
Why should we trust the Americans? They’re basically asking Europe to sacrifice ships and sailors in Iran so they don’t have to. Plus, this means getting stuck for years in an impossible to win conflict.
Ditch the U.S, and invest in Ukraine.
I say let him simmer
Don’t trust Trump. He’d back out.
America are very clearly on Russia’s side so they’ll sell Europe (and anyone else) down the river before they help Ukraine.
Trump doesn’t honor contracts, treaties or promises. He is best left ignored.
This is a terrible take.
Trump will want support *now* for a promise of Ukraine support in the *future*. A future he’ll renege on. Count on it.
I honestly don’t think the Europeans are naive enough to actually do this. This guy is probably just playing politics to put the onus on Trump (and Trump is actually too dumb to see the “opportunity”).
…except Trump will 86 that deal as soon as it’s convenient because he’s a douchebag.
No. Europe has nothing to do participating an illegal war, the objectives are deescalation, diplomacy and peace.
not IF…. but AFTER he helps.
Stupid idea. Supporting one illegal war, while trying to stop another.
Trump wouldn’t help either way.
Yeah, because Trump is such a reliable partner. He will absolutely not go against his word the moment he no longer needs help in Iran.
I wonder if there is potential to go the other way?
Maybe we can make a deal with Iran that we _won’t_ interfere, on condition that they stop supplying Russia. I wonder as well if there is room to make a deal with China for the same (not regarding Taiwan – they are too important to us – but this war has fucked over China too).
Trump has thrown the world in to chaos, but there could be opportunities for us here to further isolate Russia.
That is what the Americans would do. That is what a world power would do. Our priority is taking down Russia and we have to take any opportunity that presents itself.
Come on. This is why this all still works for Trump.
Dumb attempts like this.
The trade agreements are working out for everyone, right?
Demand payment up front and clear consequences for if the conditions aren’t met and I’m all for it.
That would only work if Trump helps Ukraine before Europe ever helps him on Iran, because the other way around there’s no way Trump would actually hold up his end of the deal.
Delusional man
It would be a good suggestion, if the other party acts in good faith. However…
Trump is completely untrustworthy and his word is worth nothing. That should be patently obvious by now.
Trump is as trustworthy as Putin… it is useless trying to make agreements with him.
It needs to be transactional… Maybe say that once he has transferred weapons, money or other services to Ukraine worth 1 trillion US dollars, starting from now, then we will help negotiate an end to the Iran war for him.
If we include a promise not to prosecute him in Europe for his crimes with Epstein, he might jump at it 😀
c’mon pres trump. let’s make a deal finally!!
He’d have to reinstate those oil sanctions on Russia first.
Get trump to pay upfront and then it’s a maybe. But we know he will renege any deal he makes while insulting us.
Don’t offer deals to a crook, a drowning man will pull you down with him..
His word means nothing.