I know everyone’s argument will be “well they aren’t overpaid, everyone else is underpaid”, but if we go down this logic then frankly most people should be on about £150k a year middle class. In fact, actually go with inflation figures and PPP of UK in 1998, and you’ll find most middle class job pay today should be £100-150k, and is instead £35k-£50k.
GDP per capita has literally flatlined for 30 years. UK and US were pretty much salary parity.
My role as a Data Scientist in UK is average £55k, myself £70k, very very senior is £110k or so, but that’s the max.
US, a junior will be on $250k, which is already way more than the senior, and cost of living is less. This countries wage/cost has gone down the toilet, and the government wonders why everyone’s leaving and thinking importing millions from the third world will help the matter.
7elevenses on
So pay surgeons more? Prices are never coming down, if you want affordability, wages have to go up.
loverofthings25 on
Good for them, probably the best example of unions doing right by their members.
Any-Memory2630 on
Oh no, not a union trying to get the best deal for it’s members…
West_Pin_1578 on
Maybe the surgeons should strike more.
But to be fair a tube driver is responsible for hundreds of lives at a time, whilst driving many tons of vehicle around in millions of pounds worth of critical capital city infrastructure.
So, y’know.
crumpetsandchai on
I need to join this union and I’m not a train driver
Slow_Animator_7241 on
Ill drive the trains for what they are on now I dont need a pay increase, I drive a class 2 truck and that’s not much above minimum wage
Aggravating_Band_353 on
Sounds like we all need to unionise!
Just in time for ai and others to take a chunk of the jobs market, combined with squeeze on market by costs of living rising year in and out, so reduced consumer disposable income to spend / less need to jobs go fulfil demand
Recent-Lemon-9930 on
Wage compression in the last 3 or so decades, not helped by minimum wage along with “progressive” taxation, is a massive, massive problem.
Dangerous_Trick5292 on
Well that’s exactly what a union is supposed to do.
Then adjust their demands based on the employers counter offer and realistic expectations.
And tube drivers should be looking for a last final payday as they’ll be replaced by AI drivers in the very near future.
That’s not a promotion of AI, its just a sad fact that tube driving is entirely replaceable with existing technology.
StatisticianUsual471 on
I can’t say I’m not bitter my union isn’t that powerful or my job that important
ByEthanFox on
As do footballers. But no-one seems up in arms about that
DoktaZaius on
If only there was such a thing as a driverless train
Turklightenment on
Telegraph not liking the core aspect of Capitalism is interesting
Wondering_Electron on
The dumb fuckwits complaining are the ones who don’t or aren’t part of a union that actually knows how to negotiate.
My union got us inflation matching pay deals for every single year I have been there since I started in 2015. Along with my promotions and inflationary pay rises, my pay has increased by 142%.
If you want this, join a fucking union and stop moaning.
Why should we NOT want people to earn more if they can?
Stop being failures and do something about it.
moonfarmer89 on
The answer to that is to then pay surgeons more. Train drivers pay isn’t being taken away from medical staff. It’s sad that they’re not being paid what they deserve but does that mean no other job should be paid more? Or is it only train drivers that should be criticised and not bankers, finance, management jobs?
Inside_Performance32 on
I’ll happily drive the train for 70% of what they are currently paid and I’d highly enjoy it .
Getting those jobs seems to be pure nepotism though .
One-Staff5504 on
How come the media is only outraged when it’s about working class people’s salaries? How about we criticise those overpaid “journalists”?
malppy on
Trains are a fully automatable job if infrastructure is contemporary. Instead of paying individuals more use the money to update the infrastructure for longer term gains
floorscentadolescent on
The greedy bastards want extra pay, for sitting on their ass all day
Electronic-Dingo-172 on
The Telegraph had their Tories mates in power for nearly a decade and a half and they absolutely killed the country. Killed growth, killed jobs, killed any chance of a wage recovery after 2008, killed trade with our biggest partners in Europe, killed our reputation.
At this point I think it’s safe to say they actively wish harm on the people of this country.
Chunk3yM0nkey on
If we can have self driving car allowed on manic roads, tube drivers can be replaced with AI. Its a fixed track, the stations don’t move.
LeftAndRightAreWrong on
The TORYgraph is not happy with workers earning a decent pay again. Shocked…
Antique-Amoeba1218 on
Good for them
Mabe the surgeons should form an effective union too
Infinite-Math-1046 on
Is it that tube drivers are paid too much?… maybe, maybe not.
Is it that surgeons are paid FAR too little? …definitely!
Zepplinologist on
Who on earth believes anything the Telegraph has to say?
Cellpool_ on
Isn’t this just because tube drivers have a good union? Maybe surgeons should band together and get a solid union that fights for better wages
rdlpd on
Tube drivers want a rise to meet inflation, and everyone cries a stupid telegraph article gets lots of comments… Mps get rises above inflation year on year and no one bats an eye lid….
If you dont get rises to meet inflation join a union, get ur coworkers to join a union create a union rep in ur company, vote in mps that will tax your ceos (that most go an adore on linkedin), vote in mps that will fight for labour laws… stop crying about crumbs. Or just change job ffs…
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They already are, in some cases.
I know everyone’s argument will be “well they aren’t overpaid, everyone else is underpaid”, but if we go down this logic then frankly most people should be on about £150k a year middle class. In fact, actually go with inflation figures and PPP of UK in 1998, and you’ll find most middle class job pay today should be £100-150k, and is instead £35k-£50k.
GDP per capita has literally flatlined for 30 years. UK and US were pretty much salary parity.
My role as a Data Scientist in UK is average £55k, myself £70k, very very senior is £110k or so, but that’s the max.
US, a junior will be on $250k, which is already way more than the senior, and cost of living is less. This countries wage/cost has gone down the toilet, and the government wonders why everyone’s leaving and thinking importing millions from the third world will help the matter.
So pay surgeons more? Prices are never coming down, if you want affordability, wages have to go up.
Good for them, probably the best example of unions doing right by their members.
Oh no, not a union trying to get the best deal for it’s members…
Maybe the surgeons should strike more.
But to be fair a tube driver is responsible for hundreds of lives at a time, whilst driving many tons of vehicle around in millions of pounds worth of critical capital city infrastructure.
So, y’know.
I need to join this union and I’m not a train driver
Ill drive the trains for what they are on now I dont need a pay increase, I drive a class 2 truck and that’s not much above minimum wage
Sounds like we all need to unionise!
Just in time for ai and others to take a chunk of the jobs market, combined with squeeze on market by costs of living rising year in and out, so reduced consumer disposable income to spend / less need to jobs go fulfil demand
Wage compression in the last 3 or so decades, not helped by minimum wage along with “progressive” taxation, is a massive, massive problem.
Well that’s exactly what a union is supposed to do.
Then adjust their demands based on the employers counter offer and realistic expectations.
And tube drivers should be looking for a last final payday as they’ll be replaced by AI drivers in the very near future.
That’s not a promotion of AI, its just a sad fact that tube driving is entirely replaceable with existing technology.
I can’t say I’m not bitter my union isn’t that powerful or my job that important
As do footballers. But no-one seems up in arms about that
If only there was such a thing as a driverless train
Telegraph not liking the core aspect of Capitalism is interesting
The dumb fuckwits complaining are the ones who don’t or aren’t part of a union that actually knows how to negotiate.
My union got us inflation matching pay deals for every single year I have been there since I started in 2015. Along with my promotions and inflationary pay rises, my pay has increased by 142%.
If you want this, join a fucking union and stop moaning.
Why should we NOT want people to earn more if they can?
Stop being failures and do something about it.
The answer to that is to then pay surgeons more. Train drivers pay isn’t being taken away from medical staff. It’s sad that they’re not being paid what they deserve but does that mean no other job should be paid more? Or is it only train drivers that should be criticised and not bankers, finance, management jobs?
I’ll happily drive the train for 70% of what they are currently paid and I’d highly enjoy it .
Getting those jobs seems to be pure nepotism though .
How come the media is only outraged when it’s about working class people’s salaries? How about we criticise those overpaid “journalists”?
Trains are a fully automatable job if infrastructure is contemporary. Instead of paying individuals more use the money to update the infrastructure for longer term gains
The greedy bastards want extra pay, for sitting on their ass all day
The Telegraph had their Tories mates in power for nearly a decade and a half and they absolutely killed the country. Killed growth, killed jobs, killed any chance of a wage recovery after 2008, killed trade with our biggest partners in Europe, killed our reputation.
At this point I think it’s safe to say they actively wish harm on the people of this country.
If we can have self driving car allowed on manic roads, tube drivers can be replaced with AI. Its a fixed track, the stations don’t move.
The TORYgraph is not happy with workers earning a decent pay again. Shocked…
Good for them
Mabe the surgeons should form an effective union too
Is it that tube drivers are paid too much?… maybe, maybe not.
Is it that surgeons are paid FAR too little? …definitely!
Who on earth believes anything the Telegraph has to say?
Isn’t this just because tube drivers have a good union? Maybe surgeons should band together and get a solid union that fights for better wages
Tube drivers want a rise to meet inflation, and everyone cries a stupid telegraph article gets lots of comments… Mps get rises above inflation year on year and no one bats an eye lid….
If you dont get rises to meet inflation join a union, get ur coworkers to join a union create a union rep in ur company, vote in mps that will tax your ceos (that most go an adore on linkedin), vote in mps that will fight for labour laws… stop crying about crumbs. Or just change job ffs…