“Slams,” huh? Call me when it says “throws in jail for contempt”
DeanoPreston on
And the Epstein files have been all but forgotten.
Flooding the zone works.
New-Anybody-6206 on
I’m not trying to defend the admin here, but if the judge explicitly tied the order to troops from a particular state, can you really blame, well, *anyone*, for doing things that the order doesn’t cover? She probably should have said “no troops from any state” to begin with, but maybe didn’t think they would be so brazen as to try to get around it.
Yes they are missing the point, but laws are as explicit as possible for a reason, and I think the judge did mess up on this one, but at least she amended it to include all states now.
Historical_Bend_2629 on
Judges don’t slam. And the administration willfully “missed the point” to keep testing pushback from people upholding the law.
Grey_0ne on
If I miss the point of a court order, I go to jail… How expecting the rich face the same consequences as us poors became a controversial partisan take, I’m sure I have no fucking clue.
Scase15 on
Cool, doesn’t matter though, he does what he wants because he is unchecked by any laws.
DharmaKarmaBrahma on
Hold him accountable. Overturn SCOTUS “immunity clause”. Impeach, remove, trial, sentencing.
JUSTICE
NoCoffee6754 on
So slammed, oh man, that’ll totally make them think twice about doing it again bc then they’d be doubled slammed! Boom!
FanofEvery1 on
Send the US Marshall’s in to arrest Trump’s cabinet, they clearly are breaking laws and need to be arrested without due process preferably
Aretirednurse on
No slam.
Media fail with title.
YesterShill on
The Trump administration did not miss the point. The felon simply does not respect the rule of law.
Am_Deer on
There was no missed point. They knew exactly what they were doing. They also know a court won’t actually hold anyone accountable.
Laws are only as strong as our willingness to enforce them.
DisasterIsMyMaster on
I work in an industry where if I don’t ask questions, get paperwork, and ship finished goods without knowing their ultimate destination can be handed personal fines and jail time.
I’m a private citizen.
I feel like any federal employee bypassing a judge should be held to the same standards?
TheRealJenneJ on
“Trump often complains that judges move against him out of partisan loyalty to his opponents”
1) The author definitely could have just ended this sentence after ‘complains’. 2) Just more of the Donald “Me Show”. Judges ‘move against’ Donald trump because he behave unlawfully, over and over again.
mintmouse on
Judge slams Epstein files back into headline consciousness
12-34 on
Am Oregon lawyer and Judge Immergut screwed up in her original Order. The operative part specifically only referred to the Oregon NG. It neither referenced nor bound other NGs.
If you’re a judge and find yourself talking with counsel about “the spirit of my Order”, you’re the problem’s nexus. Write more thorough orders that accurately describe the ruling, especially when dealing with fascist shitbags hellbent on destroying America and shitting on the Constitution.
Supposedly she amended the Order to cover additional NGs but I haven’t read the amended version.
rddman on
Trump is not missing the point of the judge’s order, he’s ignoring it. Now the question is the same as is has been for the past couple of moths: what are you going to do about it? (that’s a serious question)
Exoplasmic on
Judge, Can you explain this to a 5 year old? /s
J-Bee on
They are not missing the point, they are deliberately ignoring it.
Even-Acanthisitta448 on
Is there a place I can listen to the call?
FrancoManiac on
Alternative headline, in the style of how the media seems to be heading:
*Judge Fuckin’ RAILS Trump for “Missing the Point” of Her Order. (No Paywall Speedrun)*
Data_shade on
Slams
Basicyeti837 on
Trumps isn’t missing the point so much as he’s ignoring the order.
gwsth on
If she says he was “missing the point” of her order, it was her that’s “missing the point.”
His actions were deliberate. The point of his actions were to send you a message that he can do what he wants, one way or the other. The point was to say “What are you going to do about it? What *can* you do about it?”.
And it’s going to be the question if and when he sends troops into Portland anyway either on some flimsy, quasi-“legal” grounds or just outright because fuck you that’s why. What is she going to do about it when the person who’s calling the shots is the President of the United States, is legally immune from prosecution, and has unfettered pardon power and the backing of the Supreme Court?
The answer, just like every other answer so far, is probably going to be a whole lot of “Nothing”. Maybe a “scathing” sternly worded court order to be ignored. Maybe threats to hold a hearing to consider maybe charging some lackey at some arbitrary point in the future. Maybe a demand to actually comply with his order for the 43rd time. But nothing of substance. And *that* is the point Trump is making: One way or another, the troops are going to go in, and there’s really nothing she can do to stop it. Trump is willing to play the game until he’s bored with the game, then he’s just going to send the troops in, court orders be damned, and everybody is just going to stand aside and let him do it, just like they did every other time.
BethanyForDistrict9 on
Oh another slam. These slams. And the rips too!
AlgebraicHeretic on
Say “slams” again
codacoda74 on
Judges don’t slam. However, ordering a 10p hearing was about as close to IM PISSED as a judge can telegraph. Some judges have already figured out this admin is like a young teen and will see any crack in order as allowance.
Western-Corner-431 on
He doesn’t miss the point- he defies orders. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
ironballs16 on
They absolutely didn’t miss it – they’re being purposely obtuse about it.
TheBlackCat13 on
> Trump often complains that judges move against him out of partisan loyalty to his opponents. But he appointed Immergut himself, during his first term, in January 2019.
It doesn’t matter, he has accused his own judges of being appointed by Biden before.
mrbigglessworth on
How about instead of slams that there is actually some type of enforcement?
ReleaseFromDeception on
They didn’t miss the point lol… They saw the point, played stupid, and steamrolled right on through it.
phinatolisar on
Sigh. They didn’t miss the point. They knew the point before the ruling, then they tried to circumvent the ruling. Everything they do it to test of the waters to see how much authoritarianism they can get away with. They don’t care about crime or immigrants. They care about gaining power.
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Lol, they were definitely NOT missing the point
“Slams,” huh? Call me when it says “throws in jail for contempt”
And the Epstein files have been all but forgotten.
Flooding the zone works.
I’m not trying to defend the admin here, but if the judge explicitly tied the order to troops from a particular state, can you really blame, well, *anyone*, for doing things that the order doesn’t cover? She probably should have said “no troops from any state” to begin with, but maybe didn’t think they would be so brazen as to try to get around it.
Yes they are missing the point, but laws are as explicit as possible for a reason, and I think the judge did mess up on this one, but at least she amended it to include all states now.
Judges don’t slam. And the administration willfully “missed the point” to keep testing pushback from people upholding the law.
If I miss the point of a court order, I go to jail… How expecting the rich face the same consequences as us poors became a controversial partisan take, I’m sure I have no fucking clue.
Cool, doesn’t matter though, he does what he wants because he is unchecked by any laws.
Hold him accountable. Overturn SCOTUS “immunity clause”. Impeach, remove, trial, sentencing.
JUSTICE
So slammed, oh man, that’ll totally make them think twice about doing it again bc then they’d be doubled slammed! Boom!
Send the US Marshall’s in to arrest Trump’s cabinet, they clearly are breaking laws and need to be arrested without due process preferably
No slam.
Media fail with title.
The Trump administration did not miss the point. The felon simply does not respect the rule of law.
There was no missed point. They knew exactly what they were doing. They also know a court won’t actually hold anyone accountable.
Laws are only as strong as our willingness to enforce them.
I work in an industry where if I don’t ask questions, get paperwork, and ship finished goods without knowing their ultimate destination can be handed personal fines and jail time.
I’m a private citizen.
I feel like any federal employee bypassing a judge should be held to the same standards?
“Trump often complains that judges move against him out of partisan loyalty to his opponents”
1) The author definitely could have just ended this sentence after ‘complains’. 2) Just more of the Donald “Me Show”. Judges ‘move against’ Donald trump because he behave unlawfully, over and over again.
Judge slams Epstein files back into headline consciousness
Am Oregon lawyer and Judge Immergut screwed up in her original Order. The operative part specifically only referred to the Oregon NG. It neither referenced nor bound other NGs.
If you’re a judge and find yourself talking with counsel about “the spirit of my Order”, you’re the problem’s nexus. Write more thorough orders that accurately describe the ruling, especially when dealing with fascist shitbags hellbent on destroying America and shitting on the Constitution.
Supposedly she amended the Order to cover additional NGs but I haven’t read the amended version.
Trump is not missing the point of the judge’s order, he’s ignoring it. Now the question is the same as is has been for the past couple of moths: what are you going to do about it? (that’s a serious question)
Judge, Can you explain this to a 5 year old? /s
They are not missing the point, they are deliberately ignoring it.
Is there a place I can listen to the call?
Alternative headline, in the style of how the media seems to be heading:
*Judge Fuckin’ RAILS Trump for “Missing the Point” of Her Order. (No Paywall Speedrun)*
Slams
Trumps isn’t missing the point so much as he’s ignoring the order.
If she says he was “missing the point” of her order, it was her that’s “missing the point.”
His actions were deliberate. The point of his actions were to send you a message that he can do what he wants, one way or the other. The point was to say “What are you going to do about it? What *can* you do about it?”.
And it’s going to be the question if and when he sends troops into Portland anyway either on some flimsy, quasi-“legal” grounds or just outright because fuck you that’s why. What is she going to do about it when the person who’s calling the shots is the President of the United States, is legally immune from prosecution, and has unfettered pardon power and the backing of the Supreme Court?
The answer, just like every other answer so far, is probably going to be a whole lot of “Nothing”. Maybe a “scathing” sternly worded court order to be ignored. Maybe threats to hold a hearing to consider maybe charging some lackey at some arbitrary point in the future. Maybe a demand to actually comply with his order for the 43rd time. But nothing of substance. And *that* is the point Trump is making: One way or another, the troops are going to go in, and there’s really nothing she can do to stop it. Trump is willing to play the game until he’s bored with the game, then he’s just going to send the troops in, court orders be damned, and everybody is just going to stand aside and let him do it, just like they did every other time.
Oh another slam. These slams. And the rips too!
Say “slams” again
Judges don’t slam. However, ordering a 10p hearing was about as close to IM PISSED as a judge can telegraph. Some judges have already figured out this admin is like a young teen and will see any crack in order as allowance.
He doesn’t miss the point- he defies orders. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
They absolutely didn’t miss it – they’re being purposely obtuse about it.
> Trump often complains that judges move against him out of partisan loyalty to his opponents. But he appointed Immergut himself, during his first term, in January 2019.
It doesn’t matter, he has accused his own judges of being appointed by Biden before.
How about instead of slams that there is actually some type of enforcement?
They didn’t miss the point lol… They saw the point, played stupid, and steamrolled right on through it.
Sigh. They didn’t miss the point. They knew the point before the ruling, then they tried to circumvent the ruling. Everything they do it to test of the waters to see how much authoritarianism they can get away with. They don’t care about crime or immigrants. They care about gaining power.