So this could have happened under Biden, but Israel said no that they’d rather wait to let Trump have it 😐?
Like…why? Does Bebe love Donnie *that* much?
Illustrious-Bridge45 on
I don’t know, the way I see it is that Biden didn’t have bazillions of dollars in the middle east for muslim countries. He couldn’t offer Qatar a base in idaho or resorts and golf courses. I may be intoxicated and way off base
fighteracemoglu on
Yet only Trump got it done? Proves that Trump is a strong leader and Biden was senile imo
If Trump had been president a year ago maybe another 60k Palestinian lives could have been saved
nwgdad on
> But at that point the response of the Israeli negotiators was that ‘the prime minister did not agree to end the war’.”
It was Netanyahu that declined.
withwhichwhat on
So, exactly the same thing the republicans did in 1980, making sure hostages would not be released so long as republicans can use them for political gain?
whisky_woman23 on
This is like when Reagan sabotaged Carter with the Iranian Hostage Crisis.
BigManWAGun on
If Biden had negotiated and pulled off the peace deal I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Trump blew it up once he took office ultimately resulting is a much worse situation.
International_Rope65 on
Wasn’t this brought up during the election? There was a deal in place but Trump was meeting with leaders as if he was already in charge, at mar a lago no less, and basically undermining the current president just so he could get the deals and look better when he was officially president. As if they knew from the get go he was going to win the election.
D-MAN-FLORIDA on
My guess is because if Israel break the ceasefire, Trump would be less likely to get upset with Bibi and still send money and weapons to him.
antipathizer on
Some really baffling spin here for a conflict that hasn’t actually ended yet.
What has really occurred here is that Hamas has been militarily defeated with a great deal of diplomatic, intelligence, and armaments aid from the United States, under two different presidents.
Political will for a final and very bloody re-invasion of the ruins of Gaza City was fading and so the government accepted a prisoner swap. There is significant likelihood the war reignites before the end of the year.
It’s as if Trump is being graded on a curve and getting laurels for not demanding the depopulation and annexation of Gaza. Events on the ground between now and 2028 could snap this administration back into advocating for that plan anyway.
Alaishana on
Remember Nixon and Vietnam?
Same thing.
BoatsMcFloats on
Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.”
They’re going to say whatever flatters Trump to gain more favor with him and then manipulate him because Trump is a simpleton.
YakInner4303 on
BS.
Israel was not going to agree to a deal until they had hammered Hamas specifically and Gaza in general so hard that even people as monumentally dumb as the Palestinians could see that attacking Israel with rockets and taking hostages would achieve nothing and come at catastrophic cost.
Hamas was not going to agree to a deal until it became crystal clear that not only was the deal not going to get better if they dragged things on, but it was going to keep getting worse.
In other words, a lot fighting and destruction needed to happen before a deal was even possible.
Also, it is not even clear that Hamas will agree to and abide by the terms of disarmament and exile. Without these, the war may very well resume within months.
pennyforyourthohts on
Listen Gaza was leveled and hamas lost the war. So this isn’t a peace deal but a surrender.
LordEschatus on
Yep. I mean the world knows it too.
Now that there’s “peace” lets take care of shit back home. Lets get congress back in session, lets get people healthcare, Let’s punish these people in the Epstein files.
Ok-Garcia-5605 on
Yes it is likely that Israel wanted Trump to be President so he can get the credit. But it still doesn’t absolve Biden from his weak leadership that he couldn’t get Israel to agree to deal when Usa has all the leverage if they wanted to use it
Subject-Whole-6862 on
Biden could have pulled the plug on the genocide at any time but didn’t.
winwinwinguyen on
These “peace” deals happen every few years. They wait to re-arm and build up the portions that were leveled – then after a few years, this cycle repeats with a new portion of Gaza they need to level and to rebuild on.
ChapterChoice4873 on
I hate this “joe biden”. When the hell did it become ok to address him that way?
“President Biden”, anyone?
_bits_and_bytes on
And liberals wonder why leftists also hate the Democrats. Biden could’ve stopped any and all aid to Israel and forced Netanyahu to accept the deal and stop the genocide but he didn’t. The people in here making excuses for Biden are disgusting. He not only willingly let innocent men, women, and children get slaughtered, die of disease, and die of starvation every day. He actively aided in it happening with every blocked UN vote, rejected deal, and aid sent to Israel. One day, everyone will have always been against this.
EmRavel on
Also this happened with Reagan with the Iran hostage crisis. Same playbook.
value_meal_papi on
This deal is what they call a “pressure valve”
Normal_Tomatillo1768 on
Kamala Harris said “I had pleaded with Joe, when he spoke publicly on this issue, to extend the same empathy he showed to the suffering of Ukrainians to the suffering of innocent Gazan civilians,” but he couldn’t do it: While he could passionately state, ‘I am a Zionist,’ his remarks about innocent Palestinians came off as inadequate and forced.”
We know this. We knew when this happened that the plan was to have Trump take this “win”. It was a demand.
How are we pretending like this is news NOW? What the hell is happening?
Limo_Wreck77 on
Of course.
Bibi just wanted his good mate Trump to be the success story here.
Kilroy314 on
If you believe that I’ve got some crypto to sell ya.
drjjoyner on
It took another year of fighting to make the terms acceptable. It’s not the same deal.
beavis617 on
This ended because Netanyahu ran out of areas to bomb and not a lot of people left to kill. Take into consideration the fact that many people were speaking out against these atrocities and the Israeli people were fed up so what could Netanyahu do.
J-the-Kidder on
Huh, Republicans using humans as political pawns. Surely that can’t be the case. They care way too much about humanity.
ToubDeBoub on
> Gershon Baskin, the architect of the negotiations that freed the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011, revealed on Thursday that Hamas had agreed the exact same terms of the deal in September 2024, in the last months of the Biden administration, but that Biden officials had disregarded it while Binyamin Netanyahu had refused point blank.
> Baskin would soon learn that the Israelis had no intention of striking any agreement before a change of administration in Washington
So Trump did nothing, as expected, except being a wannabe dictator like Netanyahu. Both need to delay the reckoning of their crimes and help each other profit off the whole situation to avoid jail and solidify authoritarian power.
Sweet_Split6015 on
Biden could have cut off the weapon supply and stopped the killing single-handedly. He gave Trump a PR win.
Obes_au on
Whoever leaks this is looking for a trump pay day.
lamahorses on
So basically we had another year of slaughter and the systemic destruction of large parts of Gaza (honestly, check online mapping services to see how much of Gaza was levelled in the last year alone) for essentially the same deal.
This really sums up the Trump administration though. A year of slaughter and potential diplomatic isolation of Israel and they just dig out someone else’s homework and pass it off as their own. This could have been done any time in the last year and the real question is why did it take so fucking long.
aesop_fables on
I speculated this to my wife about a year ago. Might have even posted here. I said I guarantee that this could come to end but Trump has likely spoken to Bebe and told him to hold off until he gets into office.
Y0___0Y on
The France, Canada, the UK and Australia hadn’t declared their support for a Palestinian state back then. There was no pressure on Netanyahu. Those are the countries more responsible for the peace than the US.
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So this could have happened under Biden, but Israel said no that they’d rather wait to let Trump have it 😐?
Like…why? Does Bebe love Donnie *that* much?
I don’t know, the way I see it is that Biden didn’t have bazillions of dollars in the middle east for muslim countries. He couldn’t offer Qatar a base in idaho or resorts and golf courses. I may be intoxicated and way off base
Yet only Trump got it done? Proves that Trump is a strong leader and Biden was senile imo
If Trump had been president a year ago maybe another 60k Palestinian lives could have been saved
> But at that point the response of the Israeli negotiators was that ‘the prime minister did not agree to end the war’.”
It was Netanyahu that declined.
So, exactly the same thing the republicans did in 1980, making sure hostages would not be released so long as republicans can use them for political gain?
This is like when Reagan sabotaged Carter with the Iranian Hostage Crisis.
If Biden had negotiated and pulled off the peace deal I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Trump blew it up once he took office ultimately resulting is a much worse situation.
Wasn’t this brought up during the election? There was a deal in place but Trump was meeting with leaders as if he was already in charge, at mar a lago no less, and basically undermining the current president just so he could get the deals and look better when he was officially president. As if they knew from the get go he was going to win the election.
My guess is because if Israel break the ceasefire, Trump would be less likely to get upset with Bibi and still send money and weapons to him.
Some really baffling spin here for a conflict that hasn’t actually ended yet.
What has really occurred here is that Hamas has been militarily defeated with a great deal of diplomatic, intelligence, and armaments aid from the United States, under two different presidents.
Political will for a final and very bloody re-invasion of the ruins of Gaza City was fading and so the government accepted a prisoner swap. There is significant likelihood the war reignites before the end of the year.
It’s as if Trump is being graded on a curve and getting laurels for not demanding the depopulation and annexation of Gaza. Events on the ground between now and 2028 could snap this administration back into advocating for that plan anyway.
Remember Nixon and Vietnam?
Same thing.
Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.”
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL8p_lBCRVo&ab_channel=BreakingPoints
Loll
They’re going to say whatever flatters Trump to gain more favor with him and then manipulate him because Trump is a simpleton.
BS.
Israel was not going to agree to a deal until they had hammered Hamas specifically and Gaza in general so hard that even people as monumentally dumb as the Palestinians could see that attacking Israel with rockets and taking hostages would achieve nothing and come at catastrophic cost.
Hamas was not going to agree to a deal until it became crystal clear that not only was the deal not going to get better if they dragged things on, but it was going to keep getting worse.
In other words, a lot fighting and destruction needed to happen before a deal was even possible.
Also, it is not even clear that Hamas will agree to and abide by the terms of disarmament and exile. Without these, the war may very well resume within months.
Listen Gaza was leveled and hamas lost the war. So this isn’t a peace deal but a surrender.
Yep. I mean the world knows it too.
Now that there’s “peace” lets take care of shit back home. Lets get congress back in session, lets get people healthcare, Let’s punish these people in the Epstein files.
Yes it is likely that Israel wanted Trump to be President so he can get the credit. But it still doesn’t absolve Biden from his weak leadership that he couldn’t get Israel to agree to deal when Usa has all the leverage if they wanted to use it
Biden could have pulled the plug on the genocide at any time but didn’t.
These “peace” deals happen every few years. They wait to re-arm and build up the portions that were leveled – then after a few years, this cycle repeats with a new portion of Gaza they need to level and to rebuild on.
I hate this “joe biden”. When the hell did it become ok to address him that way?
“President Biden”, anyone?
And liberals wonder why leftists also hate the Democrats. Biden could’ve stopped any and all aid to Israel and forced Netanyahu to accept the deal and stop the genocide but he didn’t. The people in here making excuses for Biden are disgusting. He not only willingly let innocent men, women, and children get slaughtered, die of disease, and die of starvation every day. He actively aided in it happening with every blocked UN vote, rejected deal, and aid sent to Israel. One day, everyone will have always been against this.
Also this happened with Reagan with the Iran hostage crisis. Same playbook.
This deal is what they call a “pressure valve”
Kamala Harris said “I had pleaded with Joe, when he spoke publicly on this issue, to extend the same empathy he showed to the suffering of Ukrainians to the suffering of innocent Gazan civilians,” but he couldn’t do it: While he could passionately state, ‘I am a Zionist,’ his remarks about innocent Palestinians came off as inadequate and forced.”
“Seeing the Biden administration provide unconditional support to the Israeli war machine that is killing, displacing, starving, and otherwise terrorizing Palestinian civilians makes me just as furious and feels like a betrayal”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/ex-obama-biden-staffers-suspend-aid-to-israel/73539778007/
We know this. We knew when this happened that the plan was to have Trump take this “win”. It was a demand.
How are we pretending like this is news NOW? What the hell is happening?
Of course.
Bibi just wanted his good mate Trump to be the success story here.
If you believe that I’ve got some crypto to sell ya.
It took another year of fighting to make the terms acceptable. It’s not the same deal.
This ended because Netanyahu ran out of areas to bomb and not a lot of people left to kill. Take into consideration the fact that many people were speaking out against these atrocities and the Israeli people were fed up so what could Netanyahu do.
Huh, Republicans using humans as political pawns. Surely that can’t be the case. They care way too much about humanity.
> Gershon Baskin, the architect of the negotiations that freed the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011, revealed on Thursday that Hamas had agreed the exact same terms of the deal in September 2024, in the last months of the Biden administration, but that Biden officials had disregarded it while Binyamin Netanyahu had refused point blank.
> Baskin would soon learn that the Israelis had no intention of striking any agreement before a change of administration in Washington
So Trump did nothing, as expected, except being a wannabe dictator like Netanyahu. Both need to delay the reckoning of their crimes and help each other profit off the whole situation to avoid jail and solidify authoritarian power.
Biden could have cut off the weapon supply and stopped the killing single-handedly. He gave Trump a PR win.
Whoever leaks this is looking for a trump pay day.
So basically we had another year of slaughter and the systemic destruction of large parts of Gaza (honestly, check online mapping services to see how much of Gaza was levelled in the last year alone) for essentially the same deal.
This really sums up the Trump administration though. A year of slaughter and potential diplomatic isolation of Israel and they just dig out someone else’s homework and pass it off as their own. This could have been done any time in the last year and the real question is why did it take so fucking long.
I speculated this to my wife about a year ago. Might have even posted here. I said I guarantee that this could come to end but Trump has likely spoken to Bebe and told him to hold off until he gets into office.
The France, Canada, the UK and Australia hadn’t declared their support for a Palestinian state back then. There was no pressure on Netanyahu. Those are the countries more responsible for the peace than the US.