By the time the shutdown ends, all the files will go missing or have been scrapped or Trump’s name…
AreYouDoneNow on
Only in part. Shutting down the government to prevent the release of the Epstein files is a driving force here, but it’s not the only thing going on, as they’re finding the shutdown allows them to do a lot of other things they want to do, like ransack the government and get private money into the military.
As the GOP moves into the post-Democracy era for America, they’re finding out just how much they can do without consequences.
Turns out it’s a lot.
There’s troops on the streets, the poors are where they belong, and there’s no legal consequences for anything they do… private jet rides for everyone faithful to the king, nothing they do can be considered a crime, and you don’t even need real crimes to arrest your political enemies and anyone you don’t like.
Demolish the Whitehouse? No problem, just do it.
The only single obstacle for now for the new regime is the courts, so that’s what to keep an eye on, when they start dismantling and restructuring the justice system so it works better for them.
invalidpassword on
I have to have faith that justice will prevail and we *will* see those damning files. Who am I kidding? Nothing happens as it should anymore and possibly never will. I fear this experiment in democracy called The United States of America is a failed state. Oh well, some tried, some tried.
Alwaystired254 on
Ok, no one gonna do shit about it. Trump does whatever he wants
Choice-of-SteinsGate on
Yes, and his supporters remain in denial about Trump’s deep connections to Epstein and his desperate efforts to sweep it all under the rug. His administration, alongside the DOJ and Republicans in Congress, have all been running interference for Trump; delaying votes, using the shutdown to obstruct the release of materials, suppressing information and diverting attention away from his close ties to Epstein.
They’re even manufacturing a separate ~~scandal~~ diversion that accuses Obama of “treason,” while Trump’s deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) orchestrated a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the birthday letter:
> The letter concludes: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”
MAGA refuses to acknowledge his involvement; rationalizing to themselves why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News even deliberately edited Trump’s response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the “Epstein client list.”
Trump’s initial response:
> “Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know.”
Fox left out his follow up:
> “But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives.”
Outside of the Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly women on the “younger side.”
A book published in 2019 titled “All the President’s Women” speaks of at least 43 allegations—one of them from Trump’s first wife.
These women have all described having inappropriate, humiliating and traumatic encounters with Trump.
Former Miss ***TEEN*** USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls claims that she remembers Trump saying, “*Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”* The youngest was 15 at the time.
> In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show… Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
> Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
> Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere.”
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he *”closed the door and pushed her against the wall before ‘forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'”* She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There’s always the Stormy Daniels case and the “Hollywood access tape,” scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters who alleged that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the gall to “praise their courage.”
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, he called them “horrible, horrible liars.”
Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury’s findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. Meaning Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there’s the case involving the plaintiff “Katie Johnson”, filed multiple times in 2016—all suspiciously dismissed.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney said she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a “sex slave” at the age of 13.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
> “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein’s Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein’s most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly “died by suicide” back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein’s sexual abuse of girls and young women. She brought up Trump’s name because of his close ties to Epstein and after an encounter with Trump at Epstein’s New York office:
> She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
> Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
> Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn’t until Epstein’s arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn’t “a fan” of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
> “I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
According to flight logs released during Maxwell’s trial, Trump has flown on the “Lolita Express” at least seven times.
Then there’s Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might “spill secrets.”
Wolff obtained audio recordings of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania’s first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion, sitting around the pool with topless young girls, some reportedly sitting in Trump’s lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as “joined at the hip” for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
This is a cover up, plain and simple.
shillyshally on
I suspect Trump is doing diddly these days and his equally corrupt minions are running the show. The still need him as a figurehead so it’s in their interest to have all that material remain hidden.
Consistent_Heat_9201 on
Hey, so how about those Epstein files?
VillaSunset on
I feel like he’s using the government shut down to shut down the government. Don’t think it’s isolated to Epstein files, but it’s welcome collateral damage…
Subliminal_Kiddo on
The whole segment was great. He went in on the Royals over Andrew’s joke of a “punishment” and said something that a lot of Americans don’t realize – and which is rarely brought up even though we’re not British – the Royals are not “Windsors” their surname was German but they changed it during WW2. He said they picked something English sounding, but that’s not what it was, they chose Windsor because of Windsor Castle, effectively trying to legitimize themselves by linking the family to an iconic British landmark.
consumeshroomz on
Dude they’re gonna show us the aliens before the Epstein files
Peacefulgamer2023 on
What exactly are we expecting to see in the files? I feel like when it comes to trump everyone already knows he is vile disgusting felon of a human being, who is he protecting because it’s not his image that is worth saving.
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By the time the shutdown ends, all the files will go missing or have been scrapped or Trump’s name…
Only in part. Shutting down the government to prevent the release of the Epstein files is a driving force here, but it’s not the only thing going on, as they’re finding the shutdown allows them to do a lot of other things they want to do, like ransack the government and get private money into the military.
As the GOP moves into the post-Democracy era for America, they’re finding out just how much they can do without consequences.
Turns out it’s a lot.
There’s troops on the streets, the poors are where they belong, and there’s no legal consequences for anything they do… private jet rides for everyone faithful to the king, nothing they do can be considered a crime, and you don’t even need real crimes to arrest your political enemies and anyone you don’t like.
Demolish the Whitehouse? No problem, just do it.
The only single obstacle for now for the new regime is the courts, so that’s what to keep an eye on, when they start dismantling and restructuring the justice system so it works better for them.
I have to have faith that justice will prevail and we *will* see those damning files. Who am I kidding? Nothing happens as it should anymore and possibly never will. I fear this experiment in democracy called The United States of America is a failed state. Oh well, some tried, some tried.
Ok, no one gonna do shit about it. Trump does whatever he wants
Yes, and his supporters remain in denial about Trump’s deep connections to Epstein and his desperate efforts to sweep it all under the rug. His administration, alongside the DOJ and Republicans in Congress, have all been running interference for Trump; delaying votes, using the shutdown to obstruct the release of materials, suppressing information and diverting attention away from his close ties to Epstein.
They’re even manufacturing a separate ~~scandal~~ diversion that accuses Obama of “treason,” while Trump’s deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) orchestrated a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the birthday letter:
> The letter concludes: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”
MAGA refuses to acknowledge his involvement; rationalizing to themselves why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News even deliberately edited Trump’s response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the “Epstein client list.”
Trump’s initial response:
> “Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know.”
Fox left out his follow up:
> “But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives.”
Outside of the Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly women on the “younger side.”
A book published in 2019 titled “All the President’s Women” speaks of at least 43 allegations—one of them from Trump’s first wife.
These women have all described having inappropriate, humiliating and traumatic encounters with Trump.
Former Miss ***TEEN*** USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls claims that she remembers Trump saying, “*Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”* The youngest was 15 at the time.
> In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show… Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
> Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
> Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere.”
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he *”closed the door and pushed her against the wall before ‘forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'”* She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There’s always the Stormy Daniels case and the “Hollywood access tape,” scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters who alleged that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the gall to “praise their courage.”
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, he called them “horrible, horrible liars.”
Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury’s findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. Meaning Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there’s the case involving the plaintiff “Katie Johnson”, filed multiple times in 2016—all suspiciously dismissed.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney said she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a “sex slave” at the age of 13.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
> “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein’s Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein’s most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly “died by suicide” back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein’s sexual abuse of girls and young women. She brought up Trump’s name because of his close ties to Epstein and after an encounter with Trump at Epstein’s New York office:
> She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
> Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
> Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn’t until Epstein’s arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn’t “a fan” of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
> “I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
According to flight logs released during Maxwell’s trial, Trump has flown on the “Lolita Express” at least seven times.
Then there’s Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might “spill secrets.”
Wolff obtained audio recordings of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania’s first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion, sitting around the pool with topless young girls, some reportedly sitting in Trump’s lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as “joined at the hip” for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
This is a cover up, plain and simple.
I suspect Trump is doing diddly these days and his equally corrupt minions are running the show. The still need him as a figurehead so it’s in their interest to have all that material remain hidden.
Hey, so how about those Epstein files?
I feel like he’s using the government shut down to shut down the government. Don’t think it’s isolated to Epstein files, but it’s welcome collateral damage…
The whole segment was great. He went in on the Royals over Andrew’s joke of a “punishment” and said something that a lot of Americans don’t realize – and which is rarely brought up even though we’re not British – the Royals are not “Windsors” their surname was German but they changed it during WW2. He said they picked something English sounding, but that’s not what it was, they chose Windsor because of Windsor Castle, effectively trying to legitimize themselves by linking the family to an iconic British landmark.
Dude they’re gonna show us the aliens before the Epstein files
What exactly are we expecting to see in the files? I feel like when it comes to trump everyone already knows he is vile disgusting felon of a human being, who is he protecting because it’s not his image that is worth saving.