There’s ample arguments against ending the shutdown at this junction. Doubly so accounting for how it went down.
Trump might start thinking he’s a king and acting accordingly, as though he isn’t doing so maximally already, isn’t on the list.
Ok_Peanut3545 on
Likely? Ha
Of course he is embolden by it. Just ask Columbia how great it was that they buckled from pressure immediately. It certainly did not make the admin leave them alone
This is why you don’t negotiate with a terrorist and Trump/the GOP are terrorists trying to create control through fear and pain
HaroldGreenBandana on
“I think the problem here is that the old rules don’t apply. President Trump is likely to be emboldened by winning the acquiescence of eight Democrats. His illegality is likely to grow.”
-Senator Chris Murphy
Thank God at least one Democrat can assess this situation correctly.
no_kids-and-3_money on
Immediately after an agreement was reached he gave notice to the Supreme Court they are still planning to fight paying full SNAP benefits. That seems pretty bold since this was just the vote for having the vote not the actual vote itself.
It’s almost like laughing in Democrats’ faces daring them to change their minds because they know they won’t.
Unchartedesigns on
Let’s cross our fingers and hope he’s not emboldened to order another 1000x pieces of ornaments from alibaba and placing them in random wh places
Next day he announces $2000 payoffs, the man is panicking before he loses congress next year because even moderates are tired of him
lickem369 on
The 8 Democrats should be primaried and the DNC should support their opponents!
walkallover1991 on
No shit.
The GOP and Trump spent the last week internally freaking out of the shutdown and how last week’s elections turned out.
The Democrats literally gave them an actual chef’s kiss of a present.
Anyone that believes that this was good policy for the Dems needs to drive down to their local mall, walk into Claires, and ask if they can get a lobotomy.
yrotsihfoedisgnorw on
Likely? He’s incessantly going to call this out as Dems creating unnecessary pain and then simply folding and thereby looking like they have no agenda and stand for nothing. It’s huge ammo for him. Dems immediately need to find a message to counter that. It doesn’t matter whether it was a horrible mistake or however anyone wants to describe. This is the morning after, day 1, and all that matters is how it’s dealt with going forward.
kallmepjmak on
So not only did they fuck us, they gave him the fuel to fuck us hard. Wonderful..
Choice-of-SteinsGate on
> Democrats would get nothing on health care beyond a promise that the Senate will vote on extending Affordable Care Act subsidies before the end of the year — essentially what Senate Majority Leader John Thune offered more than a month ago and Democrats objected to.
Healthcare has been at the center of this unprecedented shutdown fight, and even if there is a future vote on ACA subsidies or amending previous cuts, there’s no indication that Republicans will change their minds about locking in rising healthcare costs and these cuts to Medicaid that don’t even remotely offset the cost of Trump’s agenda.
During the shutdown, Trump damn near gleefully threatened the livelihoods of Americans, their families and the federal workforce.
He threatened to impose mass layoffs and withhold funding to Democrat run areas and warned that he would take advantage of the shutdown to permanently disrupt government services and operations and cancel funding for social programs that millions of Americans rely on in one form or another.
At the same time he was throwing lavish, tone deaf parties, golfing on the taxpayer dime, taking a wrecking ball to the White House to continue construction on his invasive and increasingly expensive ~~ballroom~~ vanity project, and all while his lawyers are fighting in court to halt funding for SNAP benefits.
And bear in mind, we’re still waiting for Trump’s health care plan that he promised in two weeks from now… eight years ago.
That said, Trump’s careless and cruel decisions over the past 40 days will be overshadowed by Republican efforts to control the narrative.
They will push the talking point that Democrats prolonged this shutdown for nothing—that it was all performative. In spite of the fact that Trump and Republicans created the conditions for the shutdown in the first place by refusing to negotiate or participate, by cancelling votes, by forcing recesses, by failing to even show up for votes on government funding bills, and by rejecting Democrat’s CR counterproposal that included healthcare protections early on.
They even shot down a proposal to help temporarily fund SNAP benefits that were coming to an abrupt end.
Many have argued that Democrats recently gained some political leverage after last week’s elections indicated a sharp rebuke of Trump and his policies.
But now they’re folding with little to show for it and Republicans will seize on this opportunity to blame Democrats for the hardship that some Americans were forced to endure. And it won’t take too much convincing because Dems held out for a record breaking number of days only to come up near empty handed.
Meanwhile, Republicans still hold a trifecta of power and now assume all of the leverage. They have no obligation to hold a vote or even entertain Democrats.
And if another funding fight ensues in the future, they’ll be in a better position to refuse Democrats and deny them any sort of compromise under the guise that Dems are acting in bad faith and because they won’t dare risk another shutdown to ultimately concede to Trump’s ultimatums in the end.
When Republicans finally put this whole fiasco behind them, they’ll just continue lying about their commitment to a “better” healthcare plan or instead of universal healthcare, we’ll get the universal privatization of healthcare.
Meaning more profit seeking and denied claims, exorbitant costs and skyrocketing premiums, unequal access to care and less accessibility for low-income individuals and families, not to mention the conflicts of interest and lining of pockets, hospital shutdowns, and of course, a lot more dead poor people.
mostdope28 on
Republicans knew they could outlast Dems because they don’t actually care about governing. The shutdown meant nothing to them.
Theycallmenoone on
Murphy for Minority Leader
Ok_Ant2566 on
He’a not wrong
pseud_o_nym on
I think Trump is already about as emboldened as it’s possible to be. He has immunity, the SCOTUS is in his pocket, Congress ditto. There hasn’t been an effective check on him in most of this term.
DaKingaDaNorth on
I mean why shouldn’t he be? He played the shutdown completely wrong. The public turned on him. He was having his lowest approval ever. Then Democrats just decided to bail him out and he gets to call it a win.
yorapissa on
What looks like capitulation is also empathy by leaders who couldn’t stand not to respond. Trump would not understand an iota of what that feels like.
Suitable-Display-410 on
Call for Chucks removal then.
You are a senator. You can do it. It just takes one to call for a leadership vote.
Remove him or share the blame.
WarderWannabe on
Until someone with a brain tells him this can’t pass without the House. That means swearing in the remaining signature to release the Epstein files. Oops.
xeodragon111 on
They’re probably laughing their asses off
ClaroStar on
“Likely”? He absolutely is. The orange thrives on this stuff, it feeds his insane ego.
Haasonreddit on
Dude has bipartisan support these days
iSage- on
Any historian will tell you that appeasement is a winning strategy…except for that one time.
Bloo95 on
How are we a decade into the Trump era and these majority of the Democrats in power seem unable to know this in their bones? Like wtf
BeAr_cosmicLy on
…that theres 8 responsible democrats?…cant follow his logic??
rautx15 on
Why wouldn’t he? He’s basically been shown that he can do as he pleases at every turn, and these old guard dems put up the softest fight if any.
Alwaystired254 on
Yea as he should be
R0b0tJesus on
Yeah, because getting away scott free after inciting an insurrection and committing a million other felonies didn’t embolden the him at all.
pile_of_fish on
How the hell will he be emboldened. He just does whatever the hell he wants in any case.
pnd83 on
No shit
pleachchapel on
Not donating a dollar to this party if all of these people aren’t condemned with the intent to primary.
Individual candidates absolutely, but the DNC can suck my dick. No leadership, no principles, no spine.
ericomplex on
Surprised he hasn’t made comment on it yet. Seriously wondering if the surprise caused him to have another stroke…
bdemon40 on
Well, sure…ok. Any more emboldened than the madness of the past 8 months? What’s really changing besides further embarrassment of the Democratic party?
New-Leader-7891 on
Trump was already and will continue to be “emboldened” enough with the circular firing squad
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There’s ample arguments against ending the shutdown at this junction. Doubly so accounting for how it went down.
Trump might start thinking he’s a king and acting accordingly, as though he isn’t doing so maximally already, isn’t on the list.
Likely? Ha
Of course he is embolden by it. Just ask Columbia how great it was that they buckled from pressure immediately. It certainly did not make the admin leave them alone
This is why you don’t negotiate with a terrorist and Trump/the GOP are terrorists trying to create control through fear and pain
“I think the problem here is that the old rules don’t apply. President Trump is likely to be emboldened by winning the acquiescence of eight Democrats. His illegality is likely to grow.”
-Senator Chris Murphy
Thank God at least one Democrat can assess this situation correctly.
Immediately after an agreement was reached he gave notice to the Supreme Court they are still planning to fight paying full SNAP benefits. That seems pretty bold since this was just the vote for having the vote not the actual vote itself.
It’s almost like laughing in Democrats’ faces daring them to change their minds because they know they won’t.
Let’s cross our fingers and hope he’s not emboldened to order another 1000x pieces of ornaments from alibaba and placing them in random wh places
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-density-Home-Decoration-Polyurethane-Appliques_1601402438248.html
Trump got booed at an NFL game by “his people”
Next day he announces $2000 payoffs, the man is panicking before he loses congress next year because even moderates are tired of him
The 8 Democrats should be primaried and the DNC should support their opponents!
No shit.
The GOP and Trump spent the last week internally freaking out of the shutdown and how last week’s elections turned out.
The Democrats literally gave them an actual chef’s kiss of a present.
Anyone that believes that this was good policy for the Dems needs to drive down to their local mall, walk into Claires, and ask if they can get a lobotomy.
Likely? He’s incessantly going to call this out as Dems creating unnecessary pain and then simply folding and thereby looking like they have no agenda and stand for nothing. It’s huge ammo for him. Dems immediately need to find a message to counter that. It doesn’t matter whether it was a horrible mistake or however anyone wants to describe. This is the morning after, day 1, and all that matters is how it’s dealt with going forward.
So not only did they fuck us, they gave him the fuel to fuck us hard. Wonderful..
> Democrats would get nothing on health care beyond a promise that the Senate will vote on extending Affordable Care Act subsidies before the end of the year — essentially what Senate Majority Leader John Thune offered more than a month ago and Democrats objected to.
Healthcare has been at the center of this unprecedented shutdown fight, and even if there is a future vote on ACA subsidies or amending previous cuts, there’s no indication that Republicans will change their minds about locking in rising healthcare costs and these cuts to Medicaid that don’t even remotely offset the cost of Trump’s agenda.
During the shutdown, Trump damn near gleefully threatened the livelihoods of Americans, their families and the federal workforce.
He threatened to impose mass layoffs and withhold funding to Democrat run areas and warned that he would take advantage of the shutdown to permanently disrupt government services and operations and cancel funding for social programs that millions of Americans rely on in one form or another.
At the same time he was throwing lavish, tone deaf parties, golfing on the taxpayer dime, taking a wrecking ball to the White House to continue construction on his invasive and increasingly expensive ~~ballroom~~ vanity project, and all while his lawyers are fighting in court to halt funding for SNAP benefits.
And bear in mind, we’re still waiting for Trump’s health care plan that he promised in two weeks from now… eight years ago.
That said, Trump’s careless and cruel decisions over the past 40 days will be overshadowed by Republican efforts to control the narrative.
They will push the talking point that Democrats prolonged this shutdown for nothing—that it was all performative. In spite of the fact that Trump and Republicans created the conditions for the shutdown in the first place by refusing to negotiate or participate, by cancelling votes, by forcing recesses, by failing to even show up for votes on government funding bills, and by rejecting Democrat’s CR counterproposal that included healthcare protections early on.
They even shot down a proposal to help temporarily fund SNAP benefits that were coming to an abrupt end.
Many have argued that Democrats recently gained some political leverage after last week’s elections indicated a sharp rebuke of Trump and his policies.
But now they’re folding with little to show for it and Republicans will seize on this opportunity to blame Democrats for the hardship that some Americans were forced to endure. And it won’t take too much convincing because Dems held out for a record breaking number of days only to come up near empty handed.
Meanwhile, Republicans still hold a trifecta of power and now assume all of the leverage. They have no obligation to hold a vote or even entertain Democrats.
And if another funding fight ensues in the future, they’ll be in a better position to refuse Democrats and deny them any sort of compromise under the guise that Dems are acting in bad faith and because they won’t dare risk another shutdown to ultimately concede to Trump’s ultimatums in the end.
When Republicans finally put this whole fiasco behind them, they’ll just continue lying about their commitment to a “better” healthcare plan or instead of universal healthcare, we’ll get the universal privatization of healthcare.
Meaning more profit seeking and denied claims, exorbitant costs and skyrocketing premiums, unequal access to care and less accessibility for low-income individuals and families, not to mention the conflicts of interest and lining of pockets, hospital shutdowns, and of course, a lot more dead poor people.
Republicans knew they could outlast Dems because they don’t actually care about governing. The shutdown meant nothing to them.
Murphy for Minority Leader
He’a not wrong
I think Trump is already about as emboldened as it’s possible to be. He has immunity, the SCOTUS is in his pocket, Congress ditto. There hasn’t been an effective check on him in most of this term.
I mean why shouldn’t he be? He played the shutdown completely wrong. The public turned on him. He was having his lowest approval ever. Then Democrats just decided to bail him out and he gets to call it a win.
What looks like capitulation is also empathy by leaders who couldn’t stand not to respond. Trump would not understand an iota of what that feels like.
Call for Chucks removal then.
You are a senator. You can do it. It just takes one to call for a leadership vote.
Remove him or share the blame.
Until someone with a brain tells him this can’t pass without the House. That means swearing in the remaining signature to release the Epstein files. Oops.
They’re probably laughing their asses off
“Likely”? He absolutely is. The orange thrives on this stuff, it feeds his insane ego.
Dude has bipartisan support these days
Any historian will tell you that appeasement is a winning strategy…except for that one time.
How are we a decade into the Trump era and these majority of the Democrats in power seem unable to know this in their bones? Like wtf
…that theres 8 responsible democrats?…cant follow his logic??
Why wouldn’t he? He’s basically been shown that he can do as he pleases at every turn, and these old guard dems put up the softest fight if any.
Yea as he should be
Yeah, because getting away scott free after inciting an insurrection and committing a million other felonies didn’t embolden the him at all.
How the hell will he be emboldened. He just does whatever the hell he wants in any case.
No shit
Not donating a dollar to this party if all of these people aren’t condemned with the intent to primary.
Individual candidates absolutely, but the DNC can suck my dick. No leadership, no principles, no spine.
Surprised he hasn’t made comment on it yet. Seriously wondering if the surprise caused him to have another stroke…
Well, sure…ok. Any more emboldened than the madness of the past 8 months? What’s really changing besides further embarrassment of the Democratic party?
Trump was already and will continue to be “emboldened” enough with the circular firing squad
Murphy is a tool. Case closed.
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