So what are the mental gymnastics conservatives are doing to justify/defend these new revelations this time? What’s the current narrative they’ve been told to parrot? Seems like at some point they’re gonna just have to come out and say they support pedophiles/pedophilia.
Sadly, no matter what kind of incriminating evidence emerges, Trump’s supporters and allies will only continue to deny his deep connections to Epstein and his desperate efforts to sweep this scandal under the rug.
The Trump admin, alongside a complicit DOJ and Republicans in Congress, have all been running interference for Trump; delaying votes; using the shutdown to obstruct the release of materials; suppressing information and diverting attention away from his close ties to the world’s most notorious child sex trafficker.
This includes trying to manufacture “treasonous” charges against Obama while Trump’s deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) orchestrated a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the birthday letter:
> The letter concludes: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”
MAGA refuses to acknowledge his involvement; rationalizing to themselves why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News even deliberately edited Trump’s response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the “Epstein client list.”
Trump’s initial response:
> “Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know.”
Fox left out his follow up:
> “But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives.”
Outside of the Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly those on the “younger side.”
A book published in 2019 titled “All the President’s Women” speaks of at least 43 allegations, one of them from Trump’s first wife.
These women have all described having similar humiliating and traumatic encounters with Trump.
Former Miss *TEEN* USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls claimed that she remembers Trump saying, “*Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”* The youngest was 15 at the time.
> In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show… Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
> Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
> Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere.”
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he *”closed the door and pushed her against the wall before ‘forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'”* She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There’s always the Stormy Daniels case and the “Hollywood access tape;” scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters who alleged that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the gall to “praise their courage.”
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, he called them “horrible, horrible liars.”
Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury’s findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. Meaning Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there’s the case involving the plaintiff “Katie Johnson”, filed multiple times in 2016.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney said she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a “sex slave” at the age of 13.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
> “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein’s Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein’s most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly “died by suicide” back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein’s sexual abuse of girls. She brought up Trump’s name because of his close ties to Epstein and after an encounter with Trump at Epstein’s New York office:
> She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
> Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
> Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn’t until Epstein’s arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn’t “a fan” of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
> “I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
According to flight logs released during Maxwell’s trial, Trump has flown on the “Lolita Express” at least seven times.
Then there’s Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might “spill secrets.”
Wolff obtained audio recordings of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania’s first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion lounging around the pool with topless young girls—some of them sitting in Trump’s lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as “joined at the hip” for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
Quexana on
And this is how Democrats get over their capitulation on the shutdown.
OldSchoolBubba on
It’s all starting to unravel now and there’s no stopping it
ShinLiberal on
So the Biden administration has this and didn’t release it in 2024?
WTF.
Kamala lost by 150k votes across three states. Would she have won if these documents were dropped in October last year!? God dammit Merrick Garland.
ja_jacoby on
I do not understand why everyone is just taking this lying down, and pretending like nothing will happen. I know this regime seems powerful at times and Trump survived a lot of scandals, but this is a moment that can be utilized. If not to oust this government, then at least to effectively organize against it. Speak out about this, make your voice heard. It will not be in vain.
ThisOneGoesElven on
The line of defense they’re trying right now is that Donald flipped on Epstein.
I don’t think they understand yet that “flipping” means Donald was his accomplice. It’s a confession, not a defense. It just adds the caveat that he later got mad about a betrayal and turned Epstein in. It confirms that Trump was part of his crimes.
7figureipo on
MAGA Cultist response: “So? They’re wearing clothes. This proves nothing”
Luckydog12 on
“These emails prove absolutely nothing, other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said.
That’s not how proof works.
robak69 on
JD Vance when he gets sworn in: We are appalled at my predecessor’s behavior and must move on united.
PeterG92 on
If the Democrats have common sense then they should just release new e-mails each week, just a slow and constant release so that it is always in the public consciousness
JoplinSC742 on
Modern Journalists truly are fucking worthless. This shit has existed for decades and reporters were literally offered the goods on a silver platter, and none of them acted on because of how entrenched journalism has become with modern politics and the elites.
IEatTheDownvotes on
I wonder what Thomas crooks would make of all this
xbikester on
Also the problem to a capitalist as trump im white house is that he as a ceo of a company would be prioritising the capital of the share holders. But a true democratic leader would look out for the community… but i kinda genuinely think if he just all out went the opposite of his billionaire «nature» and went all put socialist people would care on epstein files. The American revolution is inevitable. And the longer he stays in power the more likely and more violent it’ll be.
NotGonnaPayYou on
I am affraid the “he never got a massage” line by Epstein will somehow save Trump
NickiStacked on
I guarantee you Trump is having the FBI and DOJ create fake documents to make it seem like he was an informant.
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Girls. Not women. Girls.
Oh. Abc news. I’m not surprised.
So what are the mental gymnastics conservatives are doing to justify/defend these new revelations this time? What’s the current narrative they’ve been told to parrot? Seems like at some point they’re gonna just have to come out and say they support pedophiles/pedophilia.
Going through the [house oversight google drive](https://oversight.house.gov/release/oversight-committee-releases-additional-epstein-estate-documents/)text folders for interesting ones mentioning trump. Here are the numbers for anyone interested:
031772.txt 031775.txt 031799.txt 031800.txt 031992.txt 032058.txt 032360.txt 032732.txt 032729.txt 032727.txt 032716.txt 033098.txt 032542.txt 032319.txt 032711.txt 032936.txt 032935.txt 032536.txt 032707.txt 033599.txt
(So far, it’s a lot)
Sue in coming for trump?
Sadly, no matter what kind of incriminating evidence emerges, Trump’s supporters and allies will only continue to deny his deep connections to Epstein and his desperate efforts to sweep this scandal under the rug.
The Trump admin, alongside a complicit DOJ and Republicans in Congress, have all been running interference for Trump; delaying votes; using the shutdown to obstruct the release of materials; suppressing information and diverting attention away from his close ties to the world’s most notorious child sex trafficker.
This includes trying to manufacture “treasonous” charges against Obama while Trump’s deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) orchestrated a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the birthday letter:
> The letter concludes: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”
MAGA refuses to acknowledge his involvement; rationalizing to themselves why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News even deliberately edited Trump’s response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the “Epstein client list.”
Trump’s initial response:
> “Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know.”
Fox left out his follow up:
> “But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives.”
Outside of the Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly those on the “younger side.”
A book published in 2019 titled “All the President’s Women” speaks of at least 43 allegations, one of them from Trump’s first wife.
These women have all described having similar humiliating and traumatic encounters with Trump.
Former Miss *TEEN* USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls claimed that she remembers Trump saying, “*Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”* The youngest was 15 at the time.
> In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show… Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
> Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
> Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere.”
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he *”closed the door and pushed her against the wall before ‘forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'”* She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There’s always the Stormy Daniels case and the “Hollywood access tape;” scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters who alleged that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the gall to “praise their courage.”
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, he called them “horrible, horrible liars.”
Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury’s findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. Meaning Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there’s the case involving the plaintiff “Katie Johnson”, filed multiple times in 2016.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney said she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a “sex slave” at the age of 13.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
> “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein’s Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein’s most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly “died by suicide” back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein’s sexual abuse of girls. She brought up Trump’s name because of his close ties to Epstein and after an encounter with Trump at Epstein’s New York office:
> She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
> Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
> Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn’t until Epstein’s arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn’t “a fan” of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
> “I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
According to flight logs released during Maxwell’s trial, Trump has flown on the “Lolita Express” at least seven times.
Then there’s Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might “spill secrets.”
Wolff obtained audio recordings of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania’s first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion lounging around the pool with topless young girls—some of them sitting in Trump’s lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as “joined at the hip” for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
And this is how Democrats get over their capitulation on the shutdown.
It’s all starting to unravel now and there’s no stopping it
So the Biden administration has this and didn’t release it in 2024?
WTF.
Kamala lost by 150k votes across three states. Would she have won if these documents were dropped in October last year!? God dammit Merrick Garland.
I do not understand why everyone is just taking this lying down, and pretending like nothing will happen. I know this regime seems powerful at times and Trump survived a lot of scandals, but this is a moment that can be utilized. If not to oust this government, then at least to effectively organize against it. Speak out about this, make your voice heard. It will not be in vain.
The line of defense they’re trying right now is that Donald flipped on Epstein.
I don’t think they understand yet that “flipping” means Donald was his accomplice. It’s a confession, not a defense. It just adds the caveat that he later got mad about a betrayal and turned Epstein in. It confirms that Trump was part of his crimes.
MAGA Cultist response: “So? They’re wearing clothes. This proves nothing”
“These emails prove absolutely nothing, other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said.
That’s not how proof works.
JD Vance when he gets sworn in: We are appalled at my predecessor’s behavior and must move on united.
If the Democrats have common sense then they should just release new e-mails each week, just a slow and constant release so that it is always in the public consciousness
Modern Journalists truly are fucking worthless. This shit has existed for decades and reporters were literally offered the goods on a silver platter, and none of them acted on because of how entrenched journalism has become with modern politics and the elites.
I wonder what Thomas crooks would make of all this
Also the problem to a capitalist as trump im white house is that he as a ceo of a company would be prioritising the capital of the share holders. But a true democratic leader would look out for the community… but i kinda genuinely think if he just all out went the opposite of his billionaire «nature» and went all put socialist people would care on epstein files. The American revolution is inevitable. And the longer he stays in power the more likely and more violent it’ll be.
I am affraid the “he never got a massage” line by Epstein will somehow save Trump
I guarantee you Trump is having the FBI and DOJ create fake documents to make it seem like he was an informant.
Why were they in your kitchen op? 🤨
/s