Can someone explain why disobeying an illegal order is wrong?
tacticalcraptical on
I guess I don’t understand what’s wrong with telling someone they should not do something illegal… unless of course you are trying to get away with something that is illegal.
Commander-of-ducks on
This is ridiculous. Waste of resources.
ProudWheeler on
They are investigating him for sedition after Trump said that they deserve the death penalty.
Regardless of if this is a distraction from the Epstein files or not (and we can expect a lot of wild shit over the next three weeks), this is still unbelievable. A sitting president calling for the death penalty of his political opponents.
Do not lose the forest for the trees. Take a step back and remember how our government operated before all of Trump’s bullshit. He is a fascist, is a narcissistic sociopath, and will do whatever he can to avoid consequences. Do not normalize any of this.
Drolb on
Well unless he’s serving military and under the jurisdiction of the military justice system that means fuck all doesn’t it?
bbjenn on
Unfuckingbelievable.
I’m ashamed to be an American citizen.
BlotchComics on
Democrats: “Don’t do illegal shit.”
MAGA: “THAT’S FUCKING TREASON!!!!”
jeremiah181985 on
Time for Congress to go do b their job and remove these wanna be despots.
MJ420 on
Bring it on…Would love to hear the argument!
Dangerous_Junket_773 on
So, they’re *recalling him for active duty* so he can be *court marshalled* for something he did as a civilian? I don’t even think it’s against either martial or civil law. It was a statement of fact, and something we used to be proud of!
This should make every veteran pissed. They think they found a loophole to punish any veteran who goes against MAGA. This is what you fought for?
fowlraul on
Yeah Pete is literally proving the point of why this was said out loud by “investigating” the actual law.
aDirtyMartini on
Why are they so worried about service members fulfilling their constitutional duties?
Listening_Heads on
Political theater is all they have
HoosierZombie on
Oh? What specific orders did Mark tell them to disobey? Has trump even given specific orders to the military?
AdorianTsepeshu on
Last I checked, the Pentagon doesn’t have oversight powers over Congress.
Seems like something Congress should investigate in the future given it has actual oversight authority over the Pentagon.
jcwilliams1984 on
Yeah go for it, what he said is recorded. It’s literally in their oath not to follow such orders. That’s not the case for old hegseth in a few years
rapidcreek409 on
Hegseth picking a fight with a US Senator…a little outside his weight class
Ohuigin on
Everyone in AZ had better be absolutely apoplectic about this.
realancepts4real on
It will be a great day for our legal system when Pete Hegseth is tried for the multiple murders his orders have resulted in
HENMAN79 on
How many Veterans voted for Trump? pathetic
Nearsite on
This is just going to add to the pile of controversy this administration has already created and they’re going to receive additional backlash from the population at large over this. Someday (hopefully soon), this administration will come crashing down (maybe at the same time as Russia) and we can get back to some normalcy where I have no clue what the president is doing every single gaddam day.
CurrentlyLucid on
One of the stupidest headlines ever.
Muad_dweeb_69 on
The speed run to fascism is right on track.
bdfull3r on
1st amendment constitutionally protected speech where the accused, *checks notes* , restated the existing laws as they’ve long been established
WhichEmailWasIt on
I just want everyone in here to understand how common it is that troops are reminded of this fact. It is drilled into our troops repeatedly and often that they have a duty to disobey unlawful orders. Senator Kelley didn’t say anything they haven’t heard a million times and he’s getting identified for political persecution.
takesjuantogrowone on
Trump is soft-launching Kelly’s Presidential bid?
bad_take_ on
The pentagon gives troops trainings on how to defy illegal orders. The pentagon does the exact same thing they are accusing Mark Kelly of.
tendeuchen on
>I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
# The Oath of Enlistment is to the Constitution, not the President.
The Constitution is the law of the land, not Trump.
Silent-Resort-3076 on
>In its statement, the Pentagon suggested that Kelly’s statements in the video interfered with the “loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces” by citing the federal law that prohibits such actions.
>Kelly told troops “you can refuse illegal orders,” and other lawmakers said they needed troops to “stand up for our laws … our Constitution.”
Suggesting you “can” is NOT urging…..another incompetent decision by this administration!
Muffled_Incinerator on
Fuck these illegal assholes and their bad faith performative nonsense. Trump is a mad king issuing insane orders that SHOULD be ignored.
riko77can on
Why does it seem that the Pentagon is currently being led by an incompetent drunk?
Shaggy2772 on
If there are two things the GOP is bad at, it’s hiding pedophilia and reading comprehension.
Whosebert on
what a crock of horse shit. “hey telling people to obey the law is illegal!” really?!
Dorkseid1687 on
It’s getting worse.
The only predictable pattern with this fascist piece of shit- he will keep getting worse
sciencesez on
15 years of service in the USN, 39 combat missions, 4 STS missions, and his wife left permanently disabled after tea party (maga pre cursor) rhetoric inspired a paranoid schizophrenic to shoot her point blank in the head. This deplorable attack by the regime on an American hero, might make him a winning candidate for president in 2028.
Bugger9525 on
No crime was committed. Trumps feelings were hurt.
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Hold strong, Senator. This is bullshit
Thats a bold strategy, Cotton.
Yes, investigate him for reiterating the UCMJ.
Can someone explain why disobeying an illegal order is wrong?
I guess I don’t understand what’s wrong with telling someone they should not do something illegal… unless of course you are trying to get away with something that is illegal.
This is ridiculous. Waste of resources.
They are investigating him for sedition after Trump said that they deserve the death penalty.
Regardless of if this is a distraction from the Epstein files or not (and we can expect a lot of wild shit over the next three weeks), this is still unbelievable. A sitting president calling for the death penalty of his political opponents.
Do not lose the forest for the trees. Take a step back and remember how our government operated before all of Trump’s bullshit. He is a fascist, is a narcissistic sociopath, and will do whatever he can to avoid consequences. Do not normalize any of this.
Well unless he’s serving military and under the jurisdiction of the military justice system that means fuck all doesn’t it?
Unfuckingbelievable.
I’m ashamed to be an American citizen.
Democrats: “Don’t do illegal shit.”
MAGA: “THAT’S FUCKING TREASON!!!!”
Time for Congress to go do b their job and remove these wanna be despots.
Bring it on…Would love to hear the argument!
So, they’re *recalling him for active duty* so he can be *court marshalled* for something he did as a civilian? I don’t even think it’s against either martial or civil law. It was a statement of fact, and something we used to be proud of!
This should make every veteran pissed. They think they found a loophole to punish any veteran who goes against MAGA. This is what you fought for?
Yeah Pete is literally proving the point of why this was said out loud by “investigating” the actual law.
Why are they so worried about service members fulfilling their constitutional duties?
Political theater is all they have
Oh? What specific orders did Mark tell them to disobey? Has trump even given specific orders to the military?
Last I checked, the Pentagon doesn’t have oversight powers over Congress.
Seems like something Congress should investigate in the future given it has actual oversight authority over the Pentagon.
Yeah go for it, what he said is recorded. It’s literally in their oath not to follow such orders. That’s not the case for old hegseth in a few years
Hegseth picking a fight with a US Senator…a little outside his weight class
Everyone in AZ had better be absolutely apoplectic about this.
It will be a great day for our legal system when Pete Hegseth is tried for the multiple murders his orders have resulted in
How many Veterans voted for Trump? pathetic
This is just going to add to the pile of controversy this administration has already created and they’re going to receive additional backlash from the population at large over this. Someday (hopefully soon), this administration will come crashing down (maybe at the same time as Russia) and we can get back to some normalcy where I have no clue what the president is doing every single gaddam day.
One of the stupidest headlines ever.
The speed run to fascism is right on track.
1st amendment constitutionally protected speech where the accused, *checks notes* , restated the existing laws as they’ve long been established
I just want everyone in here to understand how common it is that troops are reminded of this fact. It is drilled into our troops repeatedly and often that they have a duty to disobey unlawful orders. Senator Kelley didn’t say anything they haven’t heard a million times and he’s getting identified for political persecution.
Trump is soft-launching Kelly’s Presidential bid?
The pentagon gives troops trainings on how to defy illegal orders. The pentagon does the exact same thing they are accusing Mark Kelly of.
>I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
# The Oath of Enlistment is to the Constitution, not the President.
The Constitution is the law of the land, not Trump.
>In its statement, the Pentagon suggested that Kelly’s statements in the video interfered with the “loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces” by citing the federal law that prohibits such actions.
>Kelly told troops “you can refuse illegal orders,” and other lawmakers said they needed troops to “stand up for our laws … our Constitution.”
Suggesting you “can” is NOT urging…..another incompetent decision by this administration!
Fuck these illegal assholes and their bad faith performative nonsense. Trump is a mad king issuing insane orders that SHOULD be ignored.
Why does it seem that the Pentagon is currently being led by an incompetent drunk?
If there are two things the GOP is bad at, it’s hiding pedophilia and reading comprehension.
what a crock of horse shit. “hey telling people to obey the law is illegal!” really?!
It’s getting worse.
The only predictable pattern with this fascist piece of shit- he will keep getting worse
15 years of service in the USN, 39 combat missions, 4 STS missions, and his wife left permanently disabled after tea party (maga pre cursor) rhetoric inspired a paranoid schizophrenic to shoot her point blank in the head. This deplorable attack by the regime on an American hero, might make him a winning candidate for president in 2028.
No crime was committed. Trumps feelings were hurt.