Has anyone ID’d time successfully? I saw a couple of pictures but idk how to prove if that was ths correct guy.
Republicans supposedly already voted down a measure to even *investigate* this murder, so idk what the next step is to arrest this fucking piece of shit murderer… but there are people way smarter than I am!
“ Duvalier remained under con stant guard, depending for his power on a 600‐man palace guard, the 350 soldiers of the Dessalines Barracks adjacent to the gleaming white palace, 5,000 militiamen, and perhaps most importantly, the dreaded Tontons Macoutes (Haitain Creole for “bogeymen”).
The Tontons, sunglass‐wear ing thugs whose fanatical loyal ty to Duvalier was rewarded with virtual licenses to torture and kill, murdered thousands of their fellow Haitians. Often they slit the throats of their victims and left them tied to chairs or hanging in market places for days as “examples” of what could happen to anti Duvalierists.”
nameduser365 on
Shut down the government at the end of the month when they have to pass funding again. Abolish ICE.
ETA: I’m tired of the GOP making the country worse and then Democrats not undoing the bad but instead talking about unity and healing. WE HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE not just stop.
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HenryValMorgenstern on
Because it wasn’t self defense, so of fucking course he should be prosecuted.
Will he be? I really doubt it.
KidKilobyte on
Seems Republicans are going all in on murdering citizens at any sign of noncompliance.
babyjaceismycopilot on
Good luck with that.
This administration would rather frame and deport an innocent man than admit they did something wrong.
thistimelineisweird on
All ICE agents please.
Alone_Spirit5603 on
Idk man, if a regular person did this they would be charged, full stop. Being an ICE agent should not mean you get a free pass. If the facts say it was wrong, then yeah prosecute. That is literally how accountability is supposed to work
Character-Newt-9571 on
Investigated, charge, arrested, and kept in an ice camp until trial
SolaireSquirrel on
ICE are Nazis, they are murderers by trade and creed. They should not exist and should be expunged from society by any means necessary.
Tiny_Structure_7 on
Fucking DOJ is responsible to prosecute this murderer, but we all know they won’t. And if the state tries to prosecute, DOJ will argue that it’s a federal agent acting in federal capacity and state court has no jurisdiction. I think they will win that argument because I watched the same argument made for some 2020 election co-conspirators in GA state court (ie- Mark Meadows).
We are all fucked by the fact that the branch of government charged with enforcing the law is the same branch that just committed murder, and is doubling down on BS denials. I’m pissed to no end about this!
Randy_Watson on
From the DOJ Policy on the Use of Force Section V, Part B (“Moving Vehicles”):
“**A. Deadly Force**
Law enforcement and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.
1. Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.
2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.
3. If feasible and if to do so would not increase the danger to the officer or others, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the officer shall be given prior to the use of deadly force.
4. Warning shots are not permitted outside of the prison context.
5. Officers will be trained in alternative methods and tactics for handling resisting subjects, which must be used when the use of deadly force is not authorized by this policy.
6. Deadly force should not be used against persons whose actions are a threat solely to themselves or property unless an individual poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others in close proximity.”
The DHS policy governs ICE and was updated in 2023 to mandate compliance with the Department of Justice (DOJ) standards found in the Justice Manual.
In the DHS/ICE policy on page 1 it says:
“In May 2022, the President issued Executive Order (E.O.) 14074, Advancing Effective, Accountable Policing and Criminal Justice Practices to Enhance Public Trust and Public Safety, which required federal law enforcement agencies to update their use of force policies to meet or exceed the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) standards.”
In that document it says that LEO’s can’t just shoot people fleeing in a vehicle unless their life is under threat (look on page 8 of that document) and they need to render medical aid which they prevented.
Even by ICE standards he ~~broke the law~~ did not follow ICE policy
EDIT: I updated to clarify the policy is verbatim DOJ policy and the document is what links the DHS/ICE policy
EDIT2: I also added where to look on the ICE document about using lethal force against the operator of a moving vehicle.
EDIT3: Please don’t get on the case of anyone who says the quote wasn’t in the original document. They likely replied prior to me updating my comment with the correct verbatim quotes and explanation. That’s on me, not them.
He should have his day in court, it is only fair. NAME THEM AND SHAME THEM.
Additional_Quiet2600 on
Let’s go a lot further than this.
TemporalColdWarrior on
If we don’t prosecute these fuckers, we are just done as a democracy.
greatWrightshark on
He should already be in prison but arresting that one agent needs to be just the tip of the iceberg. Noem needs to go down and be charged with treason and crimes against humanity. We have known for a while that she is an unhinged psychopath.
Root-magic on
He shot her and didn’t have the decency to stay at the scene. This was murder!
manticor225 on
A regular cop would’ve at least been suspended for an investigation by now.
Hillbilly_Boozer on
Republicans blocked the investigation, they don’t care. Do what you will with that info.
GestureArtist on
Stop calling for it, and DO IT. oh wait, that’s right the democrats have no power in government at all.
So now what?
AdSouthern3403 on
How the fuck has this guy not been arrested yet. Any information coming out about this guy, anything at all??? I just can’t fathom a person murdering another human being at basically point blank range, in broad daylight, and then yup, nothing. Just gets to go
About his life, la de da, just murdered an innocent mother of 3. FUCK THAT SHIT. My god there needs to be accountability and justice.
WakandaNowAndThen on
Why haven’t charges been filed yet? Do prosecutors in Minnesota frequently let blatant murder go unanswered?
Walton-E-Haile on
Lemme fix that headline for you. AMERICANS call for ice agent to be prosecuted.
SpaceCowbyMax on
Democratics dont do this just got after Noem. Just pressure her. The ICE agent doesn’t care. If he did he wouldn’t do it. Doesn’t help that ICE has untrained uninformed hicks with firearms.
PropofolMargarita on
I’m still waiting for him to be identified
cannibal_catfish69 on
People, the time is here. General strike time. Show these f*cks we won’t work for them. Let’s do it tomorrow. I’m serious. Tomorrow, 1/9, make these c*nts understand who pays the bills in this country.
Polixene on
Just watched the video footage. This was murder.
wereallsluteshere on
abolish ICE don’t just arrest that murdering son of a bitch. They are a ticking time bomb of violence! No one wants to take accountability for their actions! They can do whatever they want and this was bound to happen
One-21-Gigawatts on
Why isn’t EVERYONE calling for him to be prosecuted?
baremetalrecovery on
I remember a time when murders in broad daylight were just investigated and people were arrested automatically. It didn’t used to have to be called or protested for.
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What we saw in the video was NOT “self-defense”!
Has anyone ID’d time successfully? I saw a couple of pictures but idk how to prove if that was ths correct guy.
Republicans supposedly already voted down a measure to even *investigate* this murder, so idk what the next step is to arrest this fucking piece of shit murderer… but there are people way smarter than I am!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute
https://www.nytimes.com/1971/04/23/archives/papa-doc-a-ruthless-dictator-kept-the-haitians-in-illiteracy-and.html
“ Duvalier remained under con stant guard, depending for his power on a 600‐man palace guard, the 350 soldiers of the Dessalines Barracks adjacent to the gleaming white palace, 5,000 militiamen, and perhaps most importantly, the dreaded Tontons Macoutes (Haitain Creole for “bogeymen”).
The Tontons, sunglass‐wear ing thugs whose fanatical loyal ty to Duvalier was rewarded with virtual licenses to torture and kill, murdered thousands of their fellow Haitians. Often they slit the throats of their victims and left them tied to chairs or hanging in market places for days as “examples” of what could happen to anti Duvalierists.”
Shut down the government at the end of the month when they have to pass funding again. Abolish ICE.
ETA: I’m tired of the GOP making the country worse and then Democrats not undoing the bad but instead talking about unity and healing. WE HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE not just stop.
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Because it wasn’t self defense, so of fucking course he should be prosecuted.
Will he be? I really doubt it.
Seems Republicans are going all in on murdering citizens at any sign of noncompliance.
Good luck with that.
This administration would rather frame and deport an innocent man than admit they did something wrong.
All ICE agents please.
Idk man, if a regular person did this they would be charged, full stop. Being an ICE agent should not mean you get a free pass. If the facts say it was wrong, then yeah prosecute. That is literally how accountability is supposed to work
Investigated, charge, arrested, and kept in an ice camp until trial
ICE are Nazis, they are murderers by trade and creed. They should not exist and should be expunged from society by any means necessary.
Fucking DOJ is responsible to prosecute this murderer, but we all know they won’t. And if the state tries to prosecute, DOJ will argue that it’s a federal agent acting in federal capacity and state court has no jurisdiction. I think they will win that argument because I watched the same argument made for some 2020 election co-conspirators in GA state court (ie- Mark Meadows).
We are all fucked by the fact that the branch of government charged with enforcing the law is the same branch that just committed murder, and is doubling down on BS denials. I’m pissed to no end about this!
From the DOJ Policy on the Use of Force Section V, Part B (“Moving Vehicles”):
“**A. Deadly Force**
Law enforcement and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.
1. Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.
2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.
3. If feasible and if to do so would not increase the danger to the officer or others, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the officer shall be given prior to the use of deadly force.
4. Warning shots are not permitted outside of the prison context.
5. Officers will be trained in alternative methods and tactics for handling resisting subjects, which must be used when the use of deadly force is not authorized by this policy.
6. Deadly force should not be used against persons whose actions are a threat solely to themselves or property unless an individual poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others in close proximity.”
DHS/ICE Policy: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf
DOJ Policy: https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force
The DHS policy governs ICE and was updated in 2023 to mandate compliance with the Department of Justice (DOJ) standards found in the Justice Manual.
In the DHS/ICE policy on page 1 it says:
“In May 2022, the President issued Executive Order (E.O.) 14074, Advancing Effective, Accountable Policing and Criminal Justice Practices to Enhance Public Trust and Public Safety, which required federal law enforcement agencies to update their use of force policies to meet or exceed the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) standards.”
In that document it says that LEO’s can’t just shoot people fleeing in a vehicle unless their life is under threat (look on page 8 of that document) and they need to render medical aid which they prevented.
Even by ICE standards he ~~broke the law~~ did not follow ICE policy
EDIT: I updated to clarify the policy is verbatim DOJ policy and the document is what links the DHS/ICE policy
EDIT2: I also added where to look on the ICE document about using lethal force against the operator of a moving vehicle.
EDIT3: Please don’t get on the case of anyone who says the quote wasn’t in the original document. They likely replied prior to me updating my comment with the correct verbatim quotes and explanation. That’s on me, not them.
he’s hiding in another state by now
Hoping the family sues at least.
Anyone who thinks the ice agent shouldn’t be prosecuted should watch [the BBC video analysis](https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ceqzj9932wjo) and [the NYT video analysis.](https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html) It only takes a couple of minutes, and is pretty clear.
How about we abolish the entire DHS?
He should have his day in court, it is only fair. NAME THEM AND SHAME THEM.
Let’s go a lot further than this.
If we don’t prosecute these fuckers, we are just done as a democracy.
He should already be in prison but arresting that one agent needs to be just the tip of the iceberg. Noem needs to go down and be charged with treason and crimes against humanity. We have known for a while that she is an unhinged psychopath.
He shot her and didn’t have the decency to stay at the scene. This was murder!
A regular cop would’ve at least been suspended for an investigation by now.
Republicans blocked the investigation, they don’t care. Do what you will with that info.
Stop calling for it, and DO IT. oh wait, that’s right the democrats have no power in government at all.
So now what?
How the fuck has this guy not been arrested yet. Any information coming out about this guy, anything at all??? I just can’t fathom a person murdering another human being at basically point blank range, in broad daylight, and then yup, nothing. Just gets to go
About his life, la de da, just murdered an innocent mother of 3. FUCK THAT SHIT. My god there needs to be accountability and justice.
Why haven’t charges been filed yet? Do prosecutors in Minnesota frequently let blatant murder go unanswered?
Lemme fix that headline for you. AMERICANS call for ice agent to be prosecuted.
Democratics dont do this just got after Noem. Just pressure her. The ICE agent doesn’t care. If he did he wouldn’t do it. Doesn’t help that ICE has untrained uninformed hicks with firearms.
I’m still waiting for him to be identified
People, the time is here. General strike time. Show these f*cks we won’t work for them. Let’s do it tomorrow. I’m serious. Tomorrow, 1/9, make these c*nts understand who pays the bills in this country.
Just watched the video footage. This was murder.
abolish ICE don’t just arrest that murdering son of a bitch. They are a ticking time bomb of violence! No one wants to take accountability for their actions! They can do whatever they want and this was bound to happen
Why isn’t EVERYONE calling for him to be prosecuted?
I remember a time when murders in broad daylight were just investigated and people were arrested automatically. It didn’t used to have to be called or protested for.