That makes two dreadful bills that have passed the house today, Both of which should of been rejected outright until there has been a few months to properly draft legislation.
They also showed that the government does not care about community feedback given they ignored the two day consultation period on both bills.
Oomaschloom on
I’m with Canavan on this:
“But Nationals senator Matt Canavan voiced concerns shared by colleagues privately about whether groups other than violent extremists could be captured by the laws.”
Rizza1122 on
Now the narrative moves back to “albo has done nothing to keep the **** safe since the attack”.
HotPersimessage62 on
Cautiously optimistic but looking more certain of passing despite unwanted distractions from Andrew Hastie and others.
The National Socialist Network and Hizb-ut-Tahrir are terror-lite groups causing a huge rupture to Australia’s social fabric. They cannot be stopped in full but this new regime will force them deep underground which will make it very difficult for them to campaign and recruit people. That’s a huge win I’d say.
Expensive-Horse5538 on
>Laws targeting hate groups will pass the parliament after Labor struck a deal with the Liberal Party to tighten the scope**,** but the position of the Nationals is unclear.
>Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Sussan Ley on Monday agreed a set of changes to Labor’s proposal to ban groups deemed to spread hate, such as Hizb ut-Tahrir and Neo-Nazis.
>The changes were drafted to meet the opposition’s concerns that the broad drafting of the bill could restrict freedom of speech.
>The updated bill, introduced to the lower house by Attorney-General Michelle Rowland, now mentions “the promotion of violence” in the definition of a hate group.
Shame that neither party is willing to expand the scope to cover groups such as the disabled and the LGBTQI+ communities.
maxdacat on
Meanwhile, somebody in North Queensland is torn to pieces by a crocodile.
chenna99 on
Just watch, the first time these laws are used, it will be against a protest group that is politically inconvenient, not against a group actually agitating hate. The UK did it and we are following in their footsteps.
TheHoovyPrince on
I could be wrong but based on what im seeing online by people who read the new bills, they are saying that nothing changed with the bills except for cutting them in half (Gun bill and Hate Speech Bill) and that Labour didn’t remove the villification offences (i.e incitement or promotion of racial hatred).
Is the bill similar to before where any individual who says something that causes ‘someone/group to be intimidated, fear harassment/violence or fear for their safety’ will be charged with hate speech OR is it stating that for someone who is charged with a hate crime, that ‘someone/group to be intimidated, fear harassment/violence or fear for their safety’ will be factored into their charge?
If its the 1st option im pretty sure that means Labor changed absolutely nothing about the bill and that we are about to lose freedom of expression.
Altranite- on
Guaranteed these laws will rarely if ever be used against “hate groups” (whatever that means), and certainly not against the “groups” that gave us Bondi. They will be used to silence the government’s critics. LNP will not repeal these if and when they win government. The not so long road to tyranny.
SnooHedgehogs8765 on
Honestly dont get it. I mean i get that assholes shoukd be orevebted from being assholes, but how are you most effectively going to do that? I’d prefer in public rather than teaching these people how to run an underground network.
Star_Wombat33 on
The NSN is gone and the Nazis have to retreat to their safe spaces.
HuT is on notice and will, hopefully, keep their nose straight and clean; so long as they do, we’ll have no problems.
Laws are already working! Let’s see what happens next. Hopefully eventually we’ll have a government that does something about the religious carve-out.
GuyFromYr2095 on
fanciful to think that restricting speech is going to do anything. This is purely optics to placate those demanding action during a time when emotions are running high
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That makes two dreadful bills that have passed the house today, Both of which should of been rejected outright until there has been a few months to properly draft legislation.
They also showed that the government does not care about community feedback given they ignored the two day consultation period on both bills.
I’m with Canavan on this:
“But Nationals senator Matt Canavan voiced concerns shared by colleagues privately about whether groups other than violent extremists could be captured by the laws.”
Now the narrative moves back to “albo has done nothing to keep the **** safe since the attack”.
Cautiously optimistic but looking more certain of passing despite unwanted distractions from Andrew Hastie and others.
The National Socialist Network and Hizb-ut-Tahrir are terror-lite groups causing a huge rupture to Australia’s social fabric. They cannot be stopped in full but this new regime will force them deep underground which will make it very difficult for them to campaign and recruit people. That’s a huge win I’d say.
>Laws targeting hate groups will pass the parliament after Labor struck a deal with the Liberal Party to tighten the scope**,** but the position of the Nationals is unclear.
>Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Sussan Ley on Monday agreed a set of changes to Labor’s proposal to ban groups deemed to spread hate, such as Hizb ut-Tahrir and Neo-Nazis.
>The changes were drafted to meet the opposition’s concerns that the broad drafting of the bill could restrict freedom of speech.
>The updated bill, introduced to the lower house by Attorney-General Michelle Rowland, now mentions “the promotion of violence” in the definition of a hate group.
Shame that neither party is willing to expand the scope to cover groups such as the disabled and the LGBTQI+ communities.
Meanwhile, somebody in North Queensland is torn to pieces by a crocodile.
Just watch, the first time these laws are used, it will be against a protest group that is politically inconvenient, not against a group actually agitating hate. The UK did it and we are following in their footsteps.
I could be wrong but based on what im seeing online by people who read the new bills, they are saying that nothing changed with the bills except for cutting them in half (Gun bill and Hate Speech Bill) and that Labour didn’t remove the villification offences (i.e incitement or promotion of racial hatred).
I know its a tweet from Hanson but if someone could explain it to me that would be great: [https://x.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/2013413992518312349/photo/1](https://x.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/2013413992518312349/photo/1)
Is the bill similar to before where any individual who says something that causes ‘someone/group to be intimidated, fear harassment/violence or fear for their safety’ will be charged with hate speech OR is it stating that for someone who is charged with a hate crime, that ‘someone/group to be intimidated, fear harassment/violence or fear for their safety’ will be factored into their charge?
If its the 1st option im pretty sure that means Labor changed absolutely nothing about the bill and that we are about to lose freedom of expression.
Guaranteed these laws will rarely if ever be used against “hate groups” (whatever that means), and certainly not against the “groups” that gave us Bondi. They will be used to silence the government’s critics. LNP will not repeal these if and when they win government. The not so long road to tyranny.
Honestly dont get it. I mean i get that assholes shoukd be orevebted from being assholes, but how are you most effectively going to do that? I’d prefer in public rather than teaching these people how to run an underground network.
The NSN is gone and the Nazis have to retreat to their safe spaces.
HuT is on notice and will, hopefully, keep their nose straight and clean; so long as they do, we’ll have no problems.
Laws are already working! Let’s see what happens next. Hopefully eventually we’ll have a government that does something about the religious carve-out.
fanciful to think that restricting speech is going to do anything. This is purely optics to placate those demanding action during a time when emotions are running high