Have they considered that this program is a total waste of money, it will have negligible, if any, impact on public safety and Canadian’s see through their nonsense? Its not a communication issue, its a failure from the start. It should have been scrapped long ago.
sleipnir45 on
Weird for once I agree with Poly.. it was weak communication and outright lies that doomed this program to fail. Most of the missinformation is from the government itself.
“In a media statement today, PolySeSouvient says weak messaging about the program has failed to counter misinformation and disingenuous provincial manoeuvring.”
Poly and Provost are as much to blame as the government though, they refuse to admit the bans went to far when adding hunting and sporting rifles.. even 22lr plinksters
FarSquare8632 on
They should be blaming the government for the poor participation in the buy back, partly because it’s not a buy back, it’s bald faced theft of legally purchased merchandise with no compensation for the overwhelming majority of those affected. The anti-gun lobby didn’t build the program, the government did, so they have to be held accountable for these kinds of decisions.
It’s also including firearms on the OICs that have no business whatsoever being there, and once anyone who actually owns firearms sees the deception and incompetence that went into those lists, it’s really tough to respect the people making the list, or the government forwarding it as legitimate.
Souichi_Tsuji on
If there’s one thing Canadians love it’s telling other Canadians how to live
Spider-King-270 on
>the program has failed to counter misinformation and disingenuous provincial manoeuvring.
It’s not misinformation if the website it’s self tells you that your not going to get paid. Further more calling a province disingenuous for wanting to protect its citizens on what is clearly a failed and misguided political policy isn’t manoeuvring its common sense.
What is misleading is pretending this buyback is anything other than a failed political exercise. Participation is clearly lagging, costs keep rising, and there’s no evidence it meaningfully targets the sources of gun violence. It’s time Ottawa ends this pointless attack on Canadiens and let owners use their property again.
Woodworking-noob on
All I want for Christmas is to see Natalie Provosts face when this program gets cancelled.
Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl on
I agree that the messaging was weak. Weak in the sense that it pushed misinformation about the character of Canada’s gun laws and the nature of the ban. Every gun owner knew what this was really about and no matter how hard the ‘assault style’ line was plugged, it didn’t make it anymore true. The government misrepresented the entire policy file and then looked to shaft owners to boot. If they budgeted properly and actually guaranteed compensation maybe they would’ve had more of an uptake, and even then, big maybe.
I find the Poly agitation hilarious though especially considering they pushed for it. Wasn’t it also supposed to voluntary? You’d think they’d be happy either way. The reality is this was a political stunt they needed.
Edit: Poly sanctimony and contrarianism on the topic also hasn’t helped one bit. They kept trying to contradict what the government’s own publicly available information claimed and then framed all critics as bought and paid for. Real life isn’t early 20-teens social media. Criticism isn’t a sign of the worst evil and facts matter.
Enigmatic_Penguin on
Seeing Poly upset is my ray of sunshine in all of this.
They aren’t altruistic advocates for victims – They are zealots.
rastamasta45 on
Love they all ignore the fact that the website states 4 times that compensation is not guaranteed and that you are to give up your lawfully obtained property under threat of prison for no money. Some people are tens of thousands even hundreds of thousands in the hole and the government simply will rob them.
The government also wants us to thank them for not putting us in prison.
They’re a joke and they’re harassing and dividing this country even further.
ghost_n_the_shell on
So, I will say this:
If the gun control lobby actually cared about reducing gun violence, they would be advocating for more resources to combat gun smuggling, along with enhanced bail in our court system.
But they don’t actually care about reducing gun violence.
They care about the ideology. They don’t *want* law abiding citizens to have firearms because they *don’t like them*.
I’d have more sympathy for this group if they weren’t going after the lawful Canadian vs the criminals and illegal guns being used.
We have experts telling us this won’t help.
We have many major police services refusing to cooperate and participate. We have PROVINCES, that Include Liberal and NDP provinces, who refused to participate.
This is a vote buy for seats in Quebec.
This a colossal waste of money.
This is a government seizing Canadians lawfully owned property – while making no promise of payment.
This debacle will ensure I never, under any circumstances, vote for the Liberal party in any capacity.
BaseCommanderMittens on
Aren’t these the same idiots pushing this dumb useless waste of money program?
Tyrocious on
These groups are never happy.
DogeDoRight on
The “poor participantion” is because the program is hot garbage and it doesn’t matter what the government says because people see right through it.
You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it’s still a pig.
CanuckleHeadOG on
>Gun control group PolySeSouvient
Yeah I knew it was them before even opening the article
Terapr0 on
Yea, well, the people who own these firearms don’t see themselves as criminals, or any part of the problem with illegal guns in this country, because they aren’t – no wonder it hasn’t been popular.
You know what would be popular with gun owners? Evidence based programs designed in good faith to stop the flow of illegal guns across the border and through native reservations.
CitySeekerTron on
While I don’t support private gun ownership for reasons I’ll spare, I also don’t understand what these policy makers expected. Canada’s gun ownership isn’t very large to begin with, and Canadian gun owners are generally compliant with current laws. The pretense they’re using – big, scary guns need to go – only wins the people they have on board and does nothing to reduce gun ownership, and if gun opposition groups want to grow, they’d be better off lobbying for better interdiction efforts.
On this failure specifically, I think that maybe we should be enhance efforts to target offenders instead of carving out a new, expensive hazardous waste recycling program. The only way a surrender program works is if a legally compliant gun owner is exiting or reducing their gun ownership anyway, and there could be be a better program to develop in that area. Meanwhile we should be making repeat offenders and illegal importers the target of these programs.
Tractorguy69 on
Start going after the problem guns (illegal ones) and the hang bangers and you’ll have law abiding owners on your side, AND BONUS, you’ll actually solve the real problem.
LibertySherpa on
The other crazy thing about all this, is that there’s not a huge difference between a semi-auto rifle and a bolt action or lever action rifle. Maybe an extra second between shots.
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Have they considered that this program is a total waste of money, it will have negligible, if any, impact on public safety and Canadian’s see through their nonsense? Its not a communication issue, its a failure from the start. It should have been scrapped long ago.
Weird for once I agree with Poly.. it was weak communication and outright lies that doomed this program to fail. Most of the missinformation is from the government itself.
“In a media statement today, PolySeSouvient says weak messaging about the program has failed to counter misinformation and disingenuous provincial manoeuvring.”
Poly and Provost are as much to blame as the government though, they refuse to admit the bans went to far when adding hunting and sporting rifles.. even 22lr plinksters
They should be blaming the government for the poor participation in the buy back, partly because it’s not a buy back, it’s bald faced theft of legally purchased merchandise with no compensation for the overwhelming majority of those affected. The anti-gun lobby didn’t build the program, the government did, so they have to be held accountable for these kinds of decisions.
It’s also including firearms on the OICs that have no business whatsoever being there, and once anyone who actually owns firearms sees the deception and incompetence that went into those lists, it’s really tough to respect the people making the list, or the government forwarding it as legitimate.
If there’s one thing Canadians love it’s telling other Canadians how to live
>the program has failed to counter misinformation and disingenuous provincial manoeuvring.
It’s not misinformation if the website it’s self tells you that your not going to get paid. Further more calling a province disingenuous for wanting to protect its citizens on what is clearly a failed and misguided political policy isn’t manoeuvring its common sense.
What is misleading is pretending this buyback is anything other than a failed political exercise. Participation is clearly lagging, costs keep rising, and there’s no evidence it meaningfully targets the sources of gun violence. It’s time Ottawa ends this pointless attack on Canadiens and let owners use their property again.
All I want for Christmas is to see Natalie Provosts face when this program gets cancelled.
I agree that the messaging was weak. Weak in the sense that it pushed misinformation about the character of Canada’s gun laws and the nature of the ban. Every gun owner knew what this was really about and no matter how hard the ‘assault style’ line was plugged, it didn’t make it anymore true. The government misrepresented the entire policy file and then looked to shaft owners to boot. If they budgeted properly and actually guaranteed compensation maybe they would’ve had more of an uptake, and even then, big maybe.
I find the Poly agitation hilarious though especially considering they pushed for it. Wasn’t it also supposed to voluntary? You’d think they’d be happy either way. The reality is this was a political stunt they needed.
Edit: Poly sanctimony and contrarianism on the topic also hasn’t helped one bit. They kept trying to contradict what the government’s own publicly available information claimed and then framed all critics as bought and paid for. Real life isn’t early 20-teens social media. Criticism isn’t a sign of the worst evil and facts matter.
Seeing Poly upset is my ray of sunshine in all of this.
They aren’t altruistic advocates for victims – They are zealots.
Love they all ignore the fact that the website states 4 times that compensation is not guaranteed and that you are to give up your lawfully obtained property under threat of prison for no money. Some people are tens of thousands even hundreds of thousands in the hole and the government simply will rob them.
The government also wants us to thank them for not putting us in prison.
They’re a joke and they’re harassing and dividing this country even further.
So, I will say this:
If the gun control lobby actually cared about reducing gun violence, they would be advocating for more resources to combat gun smuggling, along with enhanced bail in our court system.
But they don’t actually care about reducing gun violence.
They care about the ideology. They don’t *want* law abiding citizens to have firearms because they *don’t like them*.
I’d have more sympathy for this group if they weren’t going after the lawful Canadian vs the criminals and illegal guns being used.
We have experts telling us this won’t help.
We have many major police services refusing to cooperate and participate. We have PROVINCES, that Include Liberal and NDP provinces, who refused to participate.
This is a vote buy for seats in Quebec.
This a colossal waste of money.
This is a government seizing Canadians lawfully owned property – while making no promise of payment.
This debacle will ensure I never, under any circumstances, vote for the Liberal party in any capacity.
Aren’t these the same idiots pushing this dumb useless waste of money program?
These groups are never happy.
The “poor participantion” is because the program is hot garbage and it doesn’t matter what the government says because people see right through it.
You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it’s still a pig.
>Gun control group PolySeSouvient
Yeah I knew it was them before even opening the article
Yea, well, the people who own these firearms don’t see themselves as criminals, or any part of the problem with illegal guns in this country, because they aren’t – no wonder it hasn’t been popular.
You know what would be popular with gun owners? Evidence based programs designed in good faith to stop the flow of illegal guns across the border and through native reservations.
While I don’t support private gun ownership for reasons I’ll spare, I also don’t understand what these policy makers expected. Canada’s gun ownership isn’t very large to begin with, and Canadian gun owners are generally compliant with current laws. The pretense they’re using – big, scary guns need to go – only wins the people they have on board and does nothing to reduce gun ownership, and if gun opposition groups want to grow, they’d be better off lobbying for better interdiction efforts.
On this failure specifically, I think that maybe we should be enhance efforts to target offenders instead of carving out a new, expensive hazardous waste recycling program. The only way a surrender program works is if a legally compliant gun owner is exiting or reducing their gun ownership anyway, and there could be be a better program to develop in that area. Meanwhile we should be making repeat offenders and illegal importers the target of these programs.
Start going after the problem guns (illegal ones) and the hang bangers and you’ll have law abiding owners on your side, AND BONUS, you’ll actually solve the real problem.
The other crazy thing about all this, is that there’s not a huge difference between a semi-auto rifle and a bolt action or lever action rifle. Maybe an extra second between shots.