Also how do the PACS system talk to the patient record? How many PACS systems?
FelisCantabrigiensis on
Good… unless it’s done by Palantir in which case it will both be much more expensive than alternatives and let a fruitloop fascist loose on all our health data.
PuzzledCar2120 on
Brace yourself for a lot of people to ride this gravy train and fail to deliver anything meaningful.
TokyoMegatronics on
it really can’t be that hard to create a system that just has the files for every patient in it and the ability to just add PDF scans of documents into a persons file as needed?
maybe im just under-estimating it, but it just doesn’t seem that hard for like a fairly simple system?
John Smith
NHS No.
conditions/ medications/ GP
notes
historical documents
and thats about it really?
Kamila95 on
Other countries have managed to do it decades ago, it makes sense the UK should catch up.
wkavinsky on
Brought to you by Palantir, with data hosting by the USA.
unclassicallytrained on
Start by imposing a statutory requirement on GP practices / health boards / Health and Social Care Partnerships to participate in single patient record agreement – and you’ll be off to the races. The current system requires every group to voluntarily opt-in (or at least allows the option to opt-out) – which makes any “common sense” data sharing hugely challenging.
BillyBlaze314 on
All so it can be neatly packaged and sold more efficiently to Palantir
Timo-the-hippo on
Building a digital database takes like 1 month if you hire competent software engineers. Finding records is stupidly easy in the digital world + ai let’s you easily search for records that a human can confirm later.
Nobody is serious if they say it will take 2 years.
NotAnRSPlayer on
I can’t wait for people to comment on this, not knowing that every trust is separate, has different systems, how some trusts are still using paperwork to do administrative tasks
Then state how this can all be done in a month as if this somehow isn’t a massive project that would take some serious consideration on a regulatory level to get right
0Bento on
Story time.
Went to the GP. Told I needed a blood test.
“We don’t do that here. You need to go to one of the hospitals.”
OK…. can you book that for me now?
“No, I can’t book it myself. You have to be the one to book it, online. Just select the hospital and pick the appointment.”
Do I need any paperwork?
“No, it’s all paperless now” (smiles)
The booking tool – basically a list of hospitals within a 50 mile radius. But you need to select each hospital one by one to find the next appointment. Some not for months. Keep searching through the list until you find the one available same day.
Drive to hospital with same day appointment. Wait for my name to be called.
Nurse waiting to take my blood: “Where’s your paperwork? We can’t do this without paperwork!” (looking at me like this is the end of the world)
Well, the GP explicitly said it’s all on the system and no paperwork needed.
“Without paperwork we don’t know what tests to do. Your GP is in a different trust and we’re not on the same system.”
Other nurse in corner pipes up: “You need to walk to the patient liaison office. Ask them to call the GP and request an email of the paperwork. They can then print it at the office. Come back here and we can do it.”
JUST. COMPLETELY. INSANE. But a normal day for all the staff involved.
limeflavoured on
Doing this properly would require actually being willing to pay for NHS IT systems.
So its going to be done by a dodgy “AI” company, and end up being completely wrong isn’t it?
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That is a fucking hilarious claim
How many EPRs and Systemone and EMISweb
It can be done…trusts would need to fund IT
Also how do the PACS system talk to the patient record? How many PACS systems?
Good… unless it’s done by Palantir in which case it will both be much more expensive than alternatives and let a fruitloop fascist loose on all our health data.
Brace yourself for a lot of people to ride this gravy train and fail to deliver anything meaningful.
it really can’t be that hard to create a system that just has the files for every patient in it and the ability to just add PDF scans of documents into a persons file as needed?
maybe im just under-estimating it, but it just doesn’t seem that hard for like a fairly simple system?
John Smith
NHS No.
conditions/ medications/ GP
notes
historical documents
and thats about it really?
Other countries have managed to do it decades ago, it makes sense the UK should catch up.
Brought to you by Palantir, with data hosting by the USA.
Start by imposing a statutory requirement on GP practices / health boards / Health and Social Care Partnerships to participate in single patient record agreement – and you’ll be off to the races. The current system requires every group to voluntarily opt-in (or at least allows the option to opt-out) – which makes any “common sense” data sharing hugely challenging.
All so it can be neatly packaged and sold more efficiently to Palantir
Building a digital database takes like 1 month if you hire competent software engineers. Finding records is stupidly easy in the digital world + ai let’s you easily search for records that a human can confirm later.
Nobody is serious if they say it will take 2 years.
I can’t wait for people to comment on this, not knowing that every trust is separate, has different systems, how some trusts are still using paperwork to do administrative tasks
Then state how this can all be done in a month as if this somehow isn’t a massive project that would take some serious consideration on a regulatory level to get right
Story time.
Went to the GP. Told I needed a blood test.
“We don’t do that here. You need to go to one of the hospitals.”
OK…. can you book that for me now?
“No, I can’t book it myself. You have to be the one to book it, online. Just select the hospital and pick the appointment.”
Do I need any paperwork?
“No, it’s all paperless now” (smiles)
The booking tool – basically a list of hospitals within a 50 mile radius. But you need to select each hospital one by one to find the next appointment. Some not for months. Keep searching through the list until you find the one available same day.
Drive to hospital with same day appointment. Wait for my name to be called.
Nurse waiting to take my blood: “Where’s your paperwork? We can’t do this without paperwork!” (looking at me like this is the end of the world)
Well, the GP explicitly said it’s all on the system and no paperwork needed.
“Without paperwork we don’t know what tests to do. Your GP is in a different trust and we’re not on the same system.”
Other nurse in corner pipes up: “You need to walk to the patient liaison office. Ask them to call the GP and request an email of the paperwork. They can then print it at the office. Come back here and we can do it.”
JUST. COMPLETELY. INSANE. But a normal day for all the staff involved.
Doing this properly would require actually being willing to pay for NHS IT systems.
So its going to be done by a dodgy “AI” company, and end up being completely wrong isn’t it?