All this because Trump started heavily funding and supporting the separatists, Russian style.
Putin’s campaign to divide and disrupt western alliances sure got a huge buff from Trump.
Just a straight up 4x modifier. Could not have asked for a better tool.
lordm30 on
Why do people in Alberta want to separate?
invisiblebyday on
So they’re having a referendum on whether to have a referendum to separate? Seems like a way of getting around the recent court order against having an actual referendum vote due to lack of First Nation consultation about related legislation. This new question also seems like a great way to encourage non-separatists to vote yes to “send a message” to the federal government and make it look like there’s more separatists then there really are.
Relevant-Guitar1629 on
Correct me if I’m wrong, but
Didn’t Québec also do a similar separatist poll some time back ????
With Québec having it’s nationalist political party and everything
comfortably_nuumb on
51st state competition is getting crowded. Greenland, Panama, Venezuela, Cuba, Alberta. Did I miss any?
/s, just in case
PhilyJ on
How dare they exercise their democracy
MrXJinglez on
Well maybe they should have thought of that before restricting Alberta with all these stupid regulations and restrictions. Id leave too if I lived in Alberta but unfortunately I live in Ontario
Cloudhead_Denny on
The abject stupidity of the Albertans who fell for this US administration led psyop is so sad. Canadians in aggregate are smarter than this and can see right through it. This isn’t going anywhere.
Beyond that, Alberta can’t seperate even if it wanted to. It’s not their land to seperate with. First Nations has a lot of pull here.
_Echoes_ on
Remember, this separatist stuff is being coordinated by shady Americans that stole our data and want to steal our home as well.
The second Alberta leaves, the US will swoop in to annex us and we can say goodbye to our healthcare.
CBowdidge on
This is such a clown show. Smith is desperately trying to have it both ways and now she’s pissed everyone off. Most Albertans are against this, but the seppies largely control the UCP.
It raised a lot of interesting questions beyond the Native American Treaties pre-dating Alberta as a province, and touched on things like federal assets and infrastructure, defense agreements, taxes, Albertian CCP contributions, passports, birth certificates, cross boarder transportation of goods, migration, and a thousand other bureaucratic nightmares that would have to be resolved for a legal separation to even be considered. I believe it even pointed out that the Canadian Supreme Court mentioned that even if there was a binding vote, which a referendum isn’t, the entire thing could die in the courts if there is no formal agreement between both parties; and that all the Canadian government had to really do was not agree to certain concessions or make their demands so outrageously high that Alberta could never meet them and it would never get concluded.
Antifreak1999 on
Hear me out, maybe a straight trade, the 3 west coast US states for Alberta. Everybody wins.
Raynosaurus on
For anyone that didn’t read the article. About 300,000 people signed the petition. Assuming that’s all legit people from Alberta that’s about 6-7% of the population.
BornNerd78 on
Alberta has no legal basis to separate since it is mostly treaty lands.
jello1990 on
Well yeah Alberta has what, the third largest oil reserves on the planet? There’s no situation imaginable that the government would allow especially that province to secede without a civil war.
bcbigfoot on
Yeah this is just straight up stupid. It will never happen.
RagnarStonefist on
so if they somehow managed to separate, what’s the plan? independent nation? US territory?
Would Quebec then want to pull those same levers? (Note: I doubt the Quebecoise would want to join the US, but they made a bid for independence in the nineties and failed – so does Quebec try to become an independent nation as well?)
NevyTheChemist on
A referendum for the referendum.
All a freaking smoke show lmao
sunnyspiders on
Alberta is infected with posturing Internet Conservatives.
They’re angry about everything and want to destroy everything so they can say the government doesn’t work.
Similar to the arsonists currently occupying the White House.
This is money talking not people talking.
Unlimited political spending in the 🇺🇸 has destroyed the media landscape for the rest of the planet.
We are hooked on American slop.
ashoka_akira on
Alberta, could you not?
As a British Columbian I feel like the neglected child with toxic parents who are talking about breaking up and sending me to stay with some random relative, and be completely cut off from my extended friends and family. No one is asking me how I feel.
SaulTNNutz on
Would love to see this actually go through and inspire the extreme red states to try going it on their own
Redrumicus on
Please don’t group all Albertans into this. As an Albertan, I’m deeply embarrassed by what’s happening.
There’s a group of people in this province whom have smoother brains than most, and the majority of Albertans are proudly Canadian first.
Seeing, hearing, and living next to all this seppie nonsense is exhausting. Smith needs to go, this ‘issue’ needs to go, and we need to just get back to being Canadian and living our lives without this BS.
VHPguy on
Separatists just want to see the world burn; they don’t really have a solid plan if Alberta actually separates.
MrCrix on
Ya because Alberta pays like 10x more to the federal government than any other province. Without Alberta Canada would financially collapse.
cptmcsexy on
11 years of liberals and we have separation in Alberta and Bloc Quebecois gaining votes its no coincidence.
stoptheinsanityleak on
Maybe ask a Brit about Brexit
Substantial_Dog8413 on
I don’t understand this tbh besides a money question. I spent many times in AB and enjoyed their canadian spirit and unique western vibe; i feel they are essential to canadian diversity . I hope they don’t leave. Canada isn’t perfect but it’s quite there. If they want to become a 51st state in this political climate i feel canadian won’t empathise withith them.
glabel35 on
After brexit, why in the world would any country allow a piece of its self to vote on leaving the union? Given how prone these referendums are to misinformation and foreign influence you’d think that would be enough to table these. Voting is about enacting change through legislation, not bailing on the entire country.
Austoman on
So many dumb things with this ‘Separatist movement’.
1. It is well known that it was started and is continually funded by people in the US, so there is a lot more noise than actual interest.
2. Tons of legal issues trying to separate.
3. A ridiculous amount of economic issues for Alberta, especially being a landlocked location. Quebec at least has a coast line and even their movement was ridiculous.
4. Tons of circumstantial issues such as how would Alberta handle wildfires and disasters considering everything a town burns down all of Canada provides them support…
Just a truly stupid thing that is getting attention for the uneducated to ‘own the libs’.
bbusiello on
Jo from Blonde Politics called it last year that IF there were to be some kind of thing happening in Canada, Alberta would be the first domino to fall. And while Quebec has calmed down with their separation rhetoric, Alberta “winning” this could spark a resurgence. And from there, it’s collapse.
Not saying this will happen, but the process by which it would happen starts with Alberta.
totallyRebb on
Putin is really giving Trump tips on how to do it.
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All this because Trump started heavily funding and supporting the separatists, Russian style.
Putin’s campaign to divide and disrupt western alliances sure got a huge buff from Trump.
Just a straight up 4x modifier. Could not have asked for a better tool.
Why do people in Alberta want to separate?
So they’re having a referendum on whether to have a referendum to separate? Seems like a way of getting around the recent court order against having an actual referendum vote due to lack of First Nation consultation about related legislation. This new question also seems like a great way to encourage non-separatists to vote yes to “send a message” to the federal government and make it look like there’s more separatists then there really are.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but
Didn’t Québec also do a similar separatist poll some time back ????
With Québec having it’s nationalist political party and everything
51st state competition is getting crowded. Greenland, Panama, Venezuela, Cuba, Alberta. Did I miss any?
/s, just in case
How dare they exercise their democracy
Well maybe they should have thought of that before restricting Alberta with all these stupid regulations and restrictions. Id leave too if I lived in Alberta but unfortunately I live in Ontario
The abject stupidity of the Albertans who fell for this US administration led psyop is so sad. Canadians in aggregate are smarter than this and can see right through it. This isn’t going anywhere.
Beyond that, Alberta can’t seperate even if it wanted to. It’s not their land to seperate with. First Nations has a lot of pull here.
Remember, this separatist stuff is being coordinated by shady Americans that stole our data and want to steal our home as well.
The second Alberta leaves, the US will swoop in to annex us and we can say goodbye to our healthcare.
This is such a clown show. Smith is desperately trying to have it both ways and now she’s pissed everyone off. Most Albertans are against this, but the seppies largely control the UCP.
I think the CBC segment “About that” did a great spot, [available on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OT2IQSoVEs&t=1s), regarding Alberta separating.
It raised a lot of interesting questions beyond the Native American Treaties pre-dating Alberta as a province, and touched on things like federal assets and infrastructure, defense agreements, taxes, Albertian CCP contributions, passports, birth certificates, cross boarder transportation of goods, migration, and a thousand other bureaucratic nightmares that would have to be resolved for a legal separation to even be considered. I believe it even pointed out that the Canadian Supreme Court mentioned that even if there was a binding vote, which a referendum isn’t, the entire thing could die in the courts if there is no formal agreement between both parties; and that all the Canadian government had to really do was not agree to certain concessions or make their demands so outrageously high that Alberta could never meet them and it would never get concluded.
Hear me out, maybe a straight trade, the 3 west coast US states for Alberta. Everybody wins.
For anyone that didn’t read the article. About 300,000 people signed the petition. Assuming that’s all legit people from Alberta that’s about 6-7% of the population.
Alberta has no legal basis to separate since it is mostly treaty lands.
Well yeah Alberta has what, the third largest oil reserves on the planet? There’s no situation imaginable that the government would allow especially that province to secede without a civil war.
Yeah this is just straight up stupid. It will never happen.
so if they somehow managed to separate, what’s the plan? independent nation? US territory?
Would Quebec then want to pull those same levers? (Note: I doubt the Quebecoise would want to join the US, but they made a bid for independence in the nineties and failed – so does Quebec try to become an independent nation as well?)
A referendum for the referendum.
All a freaking smoke show lmao
Alberta is infected with posturing Internet Conservatives.
They’re angry about everything and want to destroy everything so they can say the government doesn’t work.
Similar to the arsonists currently occupying the White House.
This is money talking not people talking.
Unlimited political spending in the 🇺🇸 has destroyed the media landscape for the rest of the planet.
We are hooked on American slop.
Alberta, could you not?
As a British Columbian I feel like the neglected child with toxic parents who are talking about breaking up and sending me to stay with some random relative, and be completely cut off from my extended friends and family. No one is asking me how I feel.
Would love to see this actually go through and inspire the extreme red states to try going it on their own
Please don’t group all Albertans into this. As an Albertan, I’m deeply embarrassed by what’s happening.
There’s a group of people in this province whom have smoother brains than most, and the majority of Albertans are proudly Canadian first.
Seeing, hearing, and living next to all this seppie nonsense is exhausting. Smith needs to go, this ‘issue’ needs to go, and we need to just get back to being Canadian and living our lives without this BS.
Separatists just want to see the world burn; they don’t really have a solid plan if Alberta actually separates.
Ya because Alberta pays like 10x more to the federal government than any other province. Without Alberta Canada would financially collapse.
11 years of liberals and we have separation in Alberta and Bloc Quebecois gaining votes its no coincidence.
Maybe ask a Brit about Brexit
I don’t understand this tbh besides a money question. I spent many times in AB and enjoyed their canadian spirit and unique western vibe; i feel they are essential to canadian diversity . I hope they don’t leave. Canada isn’t perfect but it’s quite there. If they want to become a 51st state in this political climate i feel canadian won’t empathise withith them.
After brexit, why in the world would any country allow a piece of its self to vote on leaving the union? Given how prone these referendums are to misinformation and foreign influence you’d think that would be enough to table these. Voting is about enacting change through legislation, not bailing on the entire country.
So many dumb things with this ‘Separatist movement’.
1. It is well known that it was started and is continually funded by people in the US, so there is a lot more noise than actual interest.
2. Tons of legal issues trying to separate.
3. A ridiculous amount of economic issues for Alberta, especially being a landlocked location. Quebec at least has a coast line and even their movement was ridiculous.
4. Tons of circumstantial issues such as how would Alberta handle wildfires and disasters considering everything a town burns down all of Canada provides them support…
Just a truly stupid thing that is getting attention for the uneducated to ‘own the libs’.
Jo from Blonde Politics called it last year that IF there were to be some kind of thing happening in Canada, Alberta would be the first domino to fall. And while Quebec has calmed down with their separation rhetoric, Alberta “winning” this could spark a resurgence. And from there, it’s collapse.
Not saying this will happen, but the process by which it would happen starts with Alberta.
Putin is really giving Trump tips on how to do it.
💰💰💰💰