JD Vance Just Gave Us a Preview of Trumpism Without Trump | The vice president doesn’t see why full-grown Republican men should have to apologize for being racist Hitler lovers.

I wouldn’t be too worried about it, because these kind of people always exist in US. It is just Trump get to have the ability to unite them.

If Trump is gone, no one can unite them anymore

Reminder that Elon did the Nazi Salute on Inauguration day. Twice. Behind the Presidential Seal.

I mean, I don’t really need to hear an apology from anyone involved since it would be insincere as hell. Just drag their names through the mud and make it explicitly clear who they are to their constituents next time anyone in that chat runs for office.

How does JD Vance tie his shoes?

In little Nazis.

The *sole* value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one’s perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.

To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on the bottom [of social hierarchy] to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top. The first greatest injustice is for those on top to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom.

[Conservatism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism) — by definition — is “a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, **stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions** (such as religion, the family, **and class structure**), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change”.

Likewise, from [Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/):

>Rational conservatives maintain that a community with a **hierarchy of authority is most conducive to human well-being**.

>Confucius is another possible precursor. His concern with the breakdown of contemporary political institutions led to a cautious, conservative political outlook; **his stress on authority and hierarchy prefigures central conservative themes**.

>With the Enlightenment, the natural order or **social hierarchy, previously largely accepted, was questioned**.

Western conservatism is a product from the Age of Enlightenment — specifically, a [Counter-Enlightenment](https://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7705.pdf), [a reactionary challenge to the concepts of Humanism](https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/counter-enlightenment/). Its philosophers inherently *reject[ed]* a society governed by logic and reason, human rights and dignity, science and democracy, as its ideology *solely appeal* to the authority of traditionally established hierarchies.

From the [Intellectual Roots of Conservatism: The Burkean Foundations](https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism/Intellectual-roots-of-conservatism), the man who is considered to be the founder of modern day Western conservatism had such to say about his ideology:

>Burke shocked his contemporaries by insisting with brutal frankness that **“illusions” and “prejudices” are socially necessary**. He believed that most **human beings are innately depraved, steeped in original sin, and unable to better themselves with their feeble reason**. Better, he said, to rely on the “latent wisdom” of prejudice, which accumulates slowly through the years, than to “put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason.” **Among such prejudices are those that favour an established church and a landed aristocracy**; members of the latter, according to Burke, are the “great oaks” and “proper chieftains” of society, provided that they temper their rule with a spirit of timely reform and remain within the constitutional framework.

Conservatism is not just a symptom — but *the worldview* — of those who believe *some people are “more/less” people than others*, as hierarchy isn’t just vital to conservatism, it is the foundation of such.

When conservatives feel that society has *progressed too far* — in other words, those traditionally on the lower echelons of [social] hierarchy being accepted and given rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those above their station; and/or those traditionally on the upper echelons being questioned and bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those below their station — they will relinquish the “preferring gradual development to abrupt change” and “social stability” parts, and hearken and appeal to traditional hierarchical institutions, especially those that promote “might makes right”, as violence is a tool meant for those on top of social hierarchy to use upon those on the bottom to ensure the latter’s submission and obedience. Nationalism and racism are the go-to institutions for such, though sex[ual preference/identity] — those who don’t conform to traditional gender roles/norms/appearances/attitudes — is also popular; they will demand strict stratification of society and social hierarchy where in-groups and out-groups are clearly defined, where some people are “less people” than others. The former — by nature — will shrink as less and less people will be found to be “pure”, and virtually everyone is considered “less people” (with significantly fewer rights, credibility, and resources) when compared to the leader at the apex. This is known as [fascism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism), which is the end result of conservatism.

“Know your place” is their mantra.

Ugh, he’s a full blown racist.

What a sad example of a man. How embarrassing for the United States.

F Vance. F this whole regime that claims to be Republicans or MAGA when they are really racist nazis. Run them out of power now.

He has been aping Trump’s schtick for a while and it just doesn’t work. Trump has a peculiar charisma that JD lacks. Of course, JD lacks charisma in general, but the truth is, only Trump can be Trump.

There is just something about Trump that can’t be emulated well. Nobody has that… whatever it is. I’m quite thankful of that. The republicans will exist after Trump, of course, but his special sauce dies with him.

The origin of these texts is telling on how the party will react when Trump is gone. They got released as part of an intraparty spat. These fuckers are more than happy to bring out the long knives. Hell, they might find it nostalgic.

Once Trump is gone, there will be a right wing civil war to take his crown.

Now we know him comparing Trump to Hitler was actually a compliment of the highest regard in his view.

We caught a glimpse at trumpism in the 1930s, and we kicked it’s ass. Now we’re licking its boot

My grandfather’s were 16 when they were killing Nazis

Politico should have lied and said the texts were from a group chat of young democrat society, then asked Vance for his opinions…..And then when he said it was vile and disgusting and should be prosecuted, they should have said “good thing you agree” and round up the real turds… .

This is what happens when vote for a felon and insider trader for public office.

He heard the Nazis made great couches.

If you’re in the in group anything is permissible, if you’re not nothing is.

Embracing Hitler is embracing doom. Vance is so weird!