I mean, when you have one person on a national debate discussing economic politics and the other one is yelling that “They’re eating the dogs!”…and then people are criticizing *her* for “not being clear enough” on her economic policies…That’s not a policy issue. That’s looking for an excuse to not vote for a black woman.
Same thing with Liz Cheney. So you hated the fact that Cheney stumped for her so much because she used to be a Trump ally that you stayed home in protest knowing it was going to return Trump to power? Really? Come on.
Brave_Shoulder_8706 on
Right they weren’t ready for Harris that’s why everyone voted for a Pedophile
chillijet on
A woman can and will win. We just need someone that actually has appeal to the people we lost in 2024 and doesn’t have historically bad political instincts
BardicWarrioress on
America will never be ready
it’s been a racist, misogynistic shithole since 1776
PhotonArmy on
I mean, they had a choice between a law and order president who happened to be female and a known pedophile who raped and trafficked children with his besties for decades.
The US ain’t ready for much.
OkRush9563 on
America was never ready to give black people equal rights either, change has to be thrust on it or it will never change because it will always never be ready till it’s actually living it and forced to live with it.
Otherwise-Sun2486 on
If you run on universal healthcare and basic income… idgaf about your gender
XennialBoomBoom on
Alternate headline: Michelle Obama proves she’s far too intelligent to want to become POTUS
/I’d totally vote for her
Boomshtick414 on
The Democratic Party isn’t ready to support candidates who will go full tilt to get things done. They have no clear message beyond “not being the other guy,” and that will be the hill the party will collapse on. If they were smart, they’d be funding thinktanks to create Project 2025 equivalents, covering strategies for national issues as well as every county in the nation. But even then, that would be lost on them since the 97% of Democrats running at various levels across the country won’t say things in way that’ll show up as push notifications on people’s phones and watches.
Case in point. When was the last time Democrats ran the table for even a single news cycle? Obama’s first term? They’re almost always only reacting to MAGA/Trump, usually from a position of weakness.
It’s nothing to do with whether a woman can win. Clinton came within a single NFL stadium’s worth of votes. Her flaw was running her campaign like would’ve been done 15-20 years earlier. She never even stepped foot in Wisconsin. Blaming her loss on being a woman is ignoring much more material flaws her campaign had.
As for Harris, see all of the above. She had to speedrun her campaign, likely as a result of her own poor judgement of supporting Biden running again, and she wouldn’t say a single thing to her distinguish herself from Biden’s platform. Campaigning as Biden 2.0 is not a major draw for bringing voters to the polls. Especially when the entire party went into that election cycle with their tails between their legs, seemingly unable to get their names in headlines for anything except issues like trans athletes in sports.
EmberMuselll on
Sadly, she’s right. The election results and ongoing gender bias in politics prove it, but it’s a harsh pill to swallow. Hope her statement soares a conversation about sexism in politics
Ok-disaster2022 on
Gonna be honest I respect her, but I do actually prefer politicians to have actual practical experience, so I wouldn’t want her to run for president. Maybe Congress or Senate though.
I hate her husband’s politics though. Moderate incrementalist who really did nothing but enshrine insurance companies into the fabric of our healthcare system instead actually fixing the problem once and done. If you need to renovate a house due to asbestos or mold, you can’t just do it gradually, you gotta spend the money and remove all the base stuff before you install the good stuff. Basically he slapped a coat of mold resistant paint on the problem and left it for someone else to solve. Granted that person is determined to literally shit everywhere.
Imyoteacher on
Women won’t even vote for women in America!
Tekhnology on
Newsom will be the most likely candidate in 2028. Let’s just get behind someone who can win, even if you don’t agree with him 100%. You’ll never find someone you agree with 100%.
exxplicit480 on
Thank fuck someone official is finally deciding to get out of the lala land narrative that has plagued the left for the last 10+ years. This country is so far away from the progressive utopia we like to think we are always one election away from.
Dusk_v733 on
The unfortunate reality is that this next election cannot afford to be a social test. The Democratic party needs to choose the most advantageous option possible to give the clearest edge against the incumbent Trumpist politics.
This isn’t Obama vs McCain, this is democracy vs. authoritarianism. We’ve seen the wishy washy voter turnout rates from those that scream the loudest about wanting a female president. We know how divisive race and gender are with this office.
The risks are too high to try what has failed the last two times. A woman, especially a woman of color is not going to appeal to the voters that are dismayed with Trump but not disgusted. Those goals will be reached, eventually, but right now is not the time to be trying political experiments that, let’s be honest, have failed twice consecutively.
Politics is a game of strategy. It’s a game of chess.
You gotta put forward the candidate that will get the most votes. That’s just how it is.
It’s gonna have to be a white dude, and I think it’s clear to most that it will likely be Gavin Newsome.
Xx_sO_eDgY_lol69_xX on
She can read a room, that’s for sure
NexusNickel on
She’s not wrong.
2016- People went with an orange racist.
2024- People went with a convicted felon, convicted rapist and pedophile.
Clearly this country is regressing backwards.
bkelsey6692 on
Why do we place so much emphasis on optics? Why not vote for someone based on what they believe in? On principles? On character?
Oh. It’s because we vote for who rich elites tell us to vote for.
MysteryNeighbor on
Michelle for as long as I can remember has openly said that she despises politics so this is no surprise
Hi_Im_Ken_Adams on
She’s not wrong. Racism + Sexism to still too high a hurdle to overcome.
Romano16 on
And can people stop asking her to? I’m tired as much as her for Corporate Dems asking her.
InsideAside885 on
She’s not wrong. This country has made it very clear it does not want a female POTUS. Sexism is still quite rampant.
There are still some very. very rigid beliefs concerning gender in this society. People are under an illusion that lots of progress has been made. But much of it is surface level. And progress has been largely stalled since the 90s, and now seems to be reversing in certain aspects. Society as a whole is still quite traditional in nature. A significant number of people just simply have a mental block with the idea of a woman being an effective leader that would appear “strong.”
OzzieGrey on
“Don’t waste my time”
Fuckin fair.
supernaturjill on
Good for her. Also we don’t need a dynasty. Going to No Kings protests and then trying to run the wife of a popular president just feels like a cop out.
WatTambor420 on
Yeah that’s pretty obvious, lol!
There’s a significant part of America that doesn’t think raping young women is bad- how TF do you expect them to vote for a woman??
We’re several lifetimes away
Mysterious-Wasabi103 on
In defense of Harris on this one, I don’t know that that was a winnable election for an establishment Democrat.
Same could probably have been argued for 2016 too. 8 years of Obama had the crazies in this country super wound up.
Seems like modern day elections are more about who you aren’t rather than who you are.
Although I personally do think being a woman is a disadvantage in a general election. I still can’t help wondering if maybe a different woman could have pulled it off in a more favorable election?
fffan9391 on
That’s why I say AOC should just run for Schumer’s seat.
Chaemyerelis on
Meh her husband bama was a huge let down. Wouldn’t want her running anyway.
TheOhrenberger on
We learned the wrong lesson from this last election if that was the takeaway. They lost because Kamala Harris is a very unpopular candidate who people rallied around only because she wasn’t Trump. She did terrible in the 2020 primary, and if there was a primary in 2024 she never would have won.
We cannot be afraid of running a woman if she is the best option. What’s important is that we have a proper primary. Don’t let this logic spook us out of running AOC, and if Michelle actually has an interest in running she should (I don’t think she actually wants to be president regardless).
Like I’m sure people were saying we weren’t ready for a black man to become president until Obama did it. We can’t let some racist or sexist people decide what’s good for us.
_skulls_ on
duh, and im glad she can admit it. as much as that would be awesome to have her, it would just put another republican out there if a she were to run.
No-Entrance9308 on
I hate to say it, but the office has nothing to do with moral character. It’s about charisma and Trump has it.
Muffled_Incinerator on
We’re not. 2/3 last elections Dems lost trying to run women the country didn’t actually want.
UsedandAbused87 on
Her running would be the same as Kamala in that neither of them excited people that aren’t aligned with a party. She’s been put of the spot light, never been in a leadership role (governor, senate, university president, CEO of a major corporation), so why would people to look to her to be president
murdershroom on
She’s not wrong and it’s a damn shame. I saw her speak in person during the 2012 campaign and she’s incredible.
Arminius090 on
The first female president in America will be a Republican.
7figureipo on
Hillary won the popular vote. She lost because she basically ignored critical swing states. Harris won because she campaigned like it was a 2004 or 2008 election instead of a 2024 election.
Sexism (along with racism, in the case of Harris) plays a part in our elections, and I don’t think that’s debatable.
But the reason women Democratic nominees lose isn’t because they’re women, or that the US isn’t ready for a female POTUS. It’s because the only two they’ve run on a ticket in the last 30 years have been pretty typical mainstream Democrats, with all the shitty worker-alienating policy baggage and incompetent messaging that brings. A female candidate who bucked that trend would likely have fared better.
Umami-Ice-Cream on
People will claim it’s not about race, and ignore all the racist bs Obama, Harris, and Mamdani have had to go through.
Attack their policies? Sure. There’s plenty to say about policies.
Calling someone a “monkey” isn’t about policy. Brining up 9/11 because someone is Muslim isn’t about Policy.
People were being bigoted.
Strange_Reindeer2821 on
I honestly believe she could win. That’s ok, Newsom would be a strong candidate.
Sir_Badtard on
Tbf outside of being married to a former president has she held any position in government before?
The last guy we elected with no political experience is doing such a great job.
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She ain’t wrong.
[The entire country](https://abcnews.go.com/538/americas-swing-2024-wide-deep/story?id=116639076) shifted pretty hard to the right in the last election. And I firmly believe a lot of that is a whole bunch of people making excuses for the fact that they simply refused to vote for a black woman.
I mean, when you have one person on a national debate discussing economic politics and the other one is yelling that “They’re eating the dogs!”…and then people are criticizing *her* for “not being clear enough” on her economic policies…That’s not a policy issue. That’s looking for an excuse to not vote for a black woman.
Same thing with Liz Cheney. So you hated the fact that Cheney stumped for her so much because she used to be a Trump ally that you stayed home in protest knowing it was going to return Trump to power? Really? Come on.
Right they weren’t ready for Harris that’s why everyone voted for a Pedophile
A woman can and will win. We just need someone that actually has appeal to the people we lost in 2024 and doesn’t have historically bad political instincts
America will never be ready
it’s been a racist, misogynistic shithole since 1776
I mean, they had a choice between a law and order president who happened to be female and a known pedophile who raped and trafficked children with his besties for decades.
The US ain’t ready for much.
America was never ready to give black people equal rights either, change has to be thrust on it or it will never change because it will always never be ready till it’s actually living it and forced to live with it.
If you run on universal healthcare and basic income… idgaf about your gender
Alternate headline: Michelle Obama proves she’s far too intelligent to want to become POTUS
/I’d totally vote for her
The Democratic Party isn’t ready to support candidates who will go full tilt to get things done. They have no clear message beyond “not being the other guy,” and that will be the hill the party will collapse on. If they were smart, they’d be funding thinktanks to create Project 2025 equivalents, covering strategies for national issues as well as every county in the nation. But even then, that would be lost on them since the 97% of Democrats running at various levels across the country won’t say things in way that’ll show up as push notifications on people’s phones and watches.
Case in point. When was the last time Democrats ran the table for even a single news cycle? Obama’s first term? They’re almost always only reacting to MAGA/Trump, usually from a position of weakness.
It’s nothing to do with whether a woman can win. Clinton came within a single NFL stadium’s worth of votes. Her flaw was running her campaign like would’ve been done 15-20 years earlier. She never even stepped foot in Wisconsin. Blaming her loss on being a woman is ignoring much more material flaws her campaign had.
As for Harris, see all of the above. She had to speedrun her campaign, likely as a result of her own poor judgement of supporting Biden running again, and she wouldn’t say a single thing to her distinguish herself from Biden’s platform. Campaigning as Biden 2.0 is not a major draw for bringing voters to the polls. Especially when the entire party went into that election cycle with their tails between their legs, seemingly unable to get their names in headlines for anything except issues like trans athletes in sports.
Sadly, she’s right. The election results and ongoing gender bias in politics prove it, but it’s a harsh pill to swallow. Hope her statement soares a conversation about sexism in politics
Gonna be honest I respect her, but I do actually prefer politicians to have actual practical experience, so I wouldn’t want her to run for president. Maybe Congress or Senate though.
I hate her husband’s politics though. Moderate incrementalist who really did nothing but enshrine insurance companies into the fabric of our healthcare system instead actually fixing the problem once and done. If you need to renovate a house due to asbestos or mold, you can’t just do it gradually, you gotta spend the money and remove all the base stuff before you install the good stuff. Basically he slapped a coat of mold resistant paint on the problem and left it for someone else to solve. Granted that person is determined to literally shit everywhere.
Women won’t even vote for women in America!
Newsom will be the most likely candidate in 2028. Let’s just get behind someone who can win, even if you don’t agree with him 100%. You’ll never find someone you agree with 100%.
Thank fuck someone official is finally deciding to get out of the lala land narrative that has plagued the left for the last 10+ years. This country is so far away from the progressive utopia we like to think we are always one election away from.
The unfortunate reality is that this next election cannot afford to be a social test. The Democratic party needs to choose the most advantageous option possible to give the clearest edge against the incumbent Trumpist politics.
This isn’t Obama vs McCain, this is democracy vs. authoritarianism. We’ve seen the wishy washy voter turnout rates from those that scream the loudest about wanting a female president. We know how divisive race and gender are with this office.
The risks are too high to try what has failed the last two times. A woman, especially a woman of color is not going to appeal to the voters that are dismayed with Trump but not disgusted. Those goals will be reached, eventually, but right now is not the time to be trying political experiments that, let’s be honest, have failed twice consecutively.
Politics is a game of strategy. It’s a game of chess.
You gotta put forward the candidate that will get the most votes. That’s just how it is.
It’s gonna have to be a white dude, and I think it’s clear to most that it will likely be Gavin Newsome.
She can read a room, that’s for sure
She’s not wrong.
2016- People went with an orange racist.
2024- People went with a convicted felon, convicted rapist and pedophile.
Clearly this country is regressing backwards.
Why do we place so much emphasis on optics? Why not vote for someone based on what they believe in? On principles? On character?
Oh. It’s because we vote for who rich elites tell us to vote for.
Michelle for as long as I can remember has openly said that she despises politics so this is no surprise
She’s not wrong. Racism + Sexism to still too high a hurdle to overcome.
And can people stop asking her to? I’m tired as much as her for Corporate Dems asking her.
She’s not wrong. This country has made it very clear it does not want a female POTUS. Sexism is still quite rampant.
There are still some very. very rigid beliefs concerning gender in this society. People are under an illusion that lots of progress has been made. But much of it is surface level. And progress has been largely stalled since the 90s, and now seems to be reversing in certain aspects. Society as a whole is still quite traditional in nature. A significant number of people just simply have a mental block with the idea of a woman being an effective leader that would appear “strong.”
“Don’t waste my time”
Fuckin fair.
Good for her. Also we don’t need a dynasty. Going to No Kings protests and then trying to run the wife of a popular president just feels like a cop out.
Yeah that’s pretty obvious, lol!
There’s a significant part of America that doesn’t think raping young women is bad- how TF do you expect them to vote for a woman??
We’re several lifetimes away
In defense of Harris on this one, I don’t know that that was a winnable election for an establishment Democrat.
Same could probably have been argued for 2016 too. 8 years of Obama had the crazies in this country super wound up.
Seems like modern day elections are more about who you aren’t rather than who you are.
Although I personally do think being a woman is a disadvantage in a general election. I still can’t help wondering if maybe a different woman could have pulled it off in a more favorable election?
That’s why I say AOC should just run for Schumer’s seat.
Meh her husband bama was a huge let down. Wouldn’t want her running anyway.
We learned the wrong lesson from this last election if that was the takeaway. They lost because Kamala Harris is a very unpopular candidate who people rallied around only because she wasn’t Trump. She did terrible in the 2020 primary, and if there was a primary in 2024 she never would have won.
We cannot be afraid of running a woman if she is the best option. What’s important is that we have a proper primary. Don’t let this logic spook us out of running AOC, and if Michelle actually has an interest in running she should (I don’t think she actually wants to be president regardless).
Like I’m sure people were saying we weren’t ready for a black man to become president until Obama did it. We can’t let some racist or sexist people decide what’s good for us.
duh, and im glad she can admit it. as much as that would be awesome to have her, it would just put another republican out there if a she were to run.
I hate to say it, but the office has nothing to do with moral character. It’s about charisma and Trump has it.
We’re not. 2/3 last elections Dems lost trying to run women the country didn’t actually want.
Her running would be the same as Kamala in that neither of them excited people that aren’t aligned with a party. She’s been put of the spot light, never been in a leadership role (governor, senate, university president, CEO of a major corporation), so why would people to look to her to be president
She’s not wrong and it’s a damn shame. I saw her speak in person during the 2012 campaign and she’s incredible.
The first female president in America will be a Republican.
Hillary won the popular vote. She lost because she basically ignored critical swing states. Harris won because she campaigned like it was a 2004 or 2008 election instead of a 2024 election.
Sexism (along with racism, in the case of Harris) plays a part in our elections, and I don’t think that’s debatable.
But the reason women Democratic nominees lose isn’t because they’re women, or that the US isn’t ready for a female POTUS. It’s because the only two they’ve run on a ticket in the last 30 years have been pretty typical mainstream Democrats, with all the shitty worker-alienating policy baggage and incompetent messaging that brings. A female candidate who bucked that trend would likely have fared better.
People will claim it’s not about race, and ignore all the racist bs Obama, Harris, and Mamdani have had to go through.
Attack their policies? Sure. There’s plenty to say about policies.
Calling someone a “monkey” isn’t about policy. Brining up 9/11 because someone is Muslim isn’t about Policy.
People were being bigoted.
I honestly believe she could win. That’s ok, Newsom would be a strong candidate.
Tbf outside of being married to a former president has she held any position in government before?
The last guy we elected with no political experience is doing such a great job.