Ok but when will we get the *actual* files where Trump’s name isn’t scrubbed
StevenMC19 on
I should look this up…but someone might know here.
I know that a presidential veto can be overridden with a 2/3 vote after the fact. But…can it be preemptively made to be unveto-able? If it is near unanimous, then it’s already shown to have enough support to override a veto. Or do we still go through the whole song and dance?
edit: Ok apparently this is a hard question to understand. I’ll attempt to rephrase…
Is there any circumstance in which the president CAN’T veto a bill?
edit edit: turns out I’ve found an even worse scenario…a pocket veto. If Trump lets it sit untouched for ten days, it’s effectively vetoed and can’t be overridden if Congress is adjourned. Knowing Mike Johnson, this is something he’d likely make happen if it’s within his power.
theRealRudewing on
How difficult would a near-unanimous House vote make it for the Senate to ignore?
FrankGehryNuman on
Unfortunately this will do nothing
BlotchComics on
Trump said he wants the files released…
Remember a few years ago when he said he could declassify and release anything he wants?
Surprisingly, he was pretty close to the truth on that. He doesn’t need to wait for a congressional vote.
XavierTempus on
Let us not forget to shame Troy Nehls (TX-22), who *still* has this X post up.
> I’ll be voting NO on the Epstein Hoax.
>The Democrats are using the Epstein Hoax to distract us from the winning of President Trump and his administration.
>My message to my Republican colleagues: Don’t let this noise keep us from delivering on the mandate the American people gave us.
>President Trump—I stand by you in the fight to save America. I’m not going to let this hoax, manufactured by Democrats, slow us down.
iymcool on
“The bill, however, bars Bondi from withholding, delaying or redacting material “on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary”.”
Bondi ain’t going to pay attention to this, if she pays attention to anything voted on.
clueless_in_ny_or_nj on
This leads me to believe that Trump’s name has been scrubbed or replaced with Biden’s name. This will pass in the House, but stalls in the Senate or Trump will use the excuse of there’s an investigation ongoing and the files can’t be released again. I’m sure his taxes are still being audited too.
BeAr_cosmicLy on
Whoever votes NO is going get ripped! Rightfully so! Peace for VG🙏🙏🙏
Suitable-Peanut on
Too bad all the hard drives and photos and recordings from Epstein’s vault “disappeared” in the couple days it took to find the stuff and then come back with the correct warrant to retrieve it.
Stereo_Jungle_Child on
Everyone in Congress is backing the release now?
That’s exactly how you can tell that they’re either: Not going to actually be released or the files that will be released will have been altered to be meaningless.
Otherwise, there’s no way they’d all agree on this.
Gresvigh on
Yeah, call me when the Senate has those numbers to remove a veto.
Then release the actual files. I don’t think they exist anymore.
rapidcreek409 on
All of a sudden, everybody agrees about Epstein. The GOP can read election results and polls as well as anyone else, when they choose to do so. But, the fun one will be the Senate, where all but two Republicans voted not to release the ffiles in the past. Democrats will force a roll call.
Darius2112 on
And I’m sure the next minute, Pam Bondi will come out a that since there are Democrats under investigation, the files can’t be released. Or some other BS.
QuantumSporck on
My shithead congressman, Steve Womack, had a sudden “family emergency” and will not be voting. His office won’t return emails and he refuses to publicly support the release.
His office even tried hanging up on me when I asked for his official position. They just said “he values transparency”
I hate these motherfuckers so much. Going to do everything possible to end his career.
Healthy_Journey650 on
Great now unanimously impeach
Lynda73 on
So, the Senate will block?
TheDoomBlade13 on
Anybody could have read this into the record on the floor by now. Any member with access could have leaked it to the press.
The only reason the machine is moving now is because the cover up is complete. Nothing is going to come from this.
I_am_Zuul on
It doesn’t matter at this point, they’ve covered it for too long. They’ve:
* Said it would be released in entirety
* Said it didn’t exist
* Said it did exist but was a Democratic hoax
* Said they did the investigation and there was no list
* Said there is a list, but the Democrats are the only ones on it in any damaging way
Trump and his administration, which has no regard whatsoever for dignity, respect, or rule of law all of a sudden is unanimously voting to release these after months and months of delaying and misdirecting? These files aren’t going to say “Trump fucked kids” because they won’t let it. We need to force this issue, because *we’re* the ones who want it released.
Not sure if it will ever come to this, but I think the only way to get Trump out of office is for a large enough group of people to general strike until he’s held accountable by his own party. Until then, us slaves should hurt their profit margins in the only way we can.
Sw2029 on
Gop doing everything they can to save their bacon come midterms. Do they finally ditch Trump? Or are they banking on the DOJ taking the blame for the redactions and keeping some files back.
WeGotBeaches on
Look, we’ll split the difference with Trump. Release the Epstein Files with ONLY his name redacted.
Inevitable-Spirit491 on
Of course, the executive branch can withhold any files that they deem pertinent to an ongoing investigation or that they claim executive privilege on, so passage of the bill won’t assure a full release at all.
vitamin_r on
Isn’t there some sort of international crimes Epstein’s name comes up with Trump? We need to find a source of the tie that’s not held on to like the dirtiest secret of all time. A nation that is willing to give up the documents without redaction.
Y0___0Y on
Interesting. I expected maybe a dozen defections.
If it is passed near-unanimously in the house, hard to believe it doesn’t have the votes in the Senate.
And then Trump needs to sign it. And he can veto it. Lose-lose. If he vetoes it, he’s going to get impeached and removed. The maga crowd will lose it.
Expensive_Ad752 on
Pay attention to the ones that don’t vote in favor. It’s like a built in pedo-detector.
Phog_of_War on
The files will then quickly become “part on an ongoing investigation by DoJ”, and the oly way we get any names is via the Epstein victims.
the_Bear99 on
Release em! Don’t forget, it’s not just trump on em, it’s the whole damn class. They’re gonna try to Panama Papers any investigators too
iamnotyourdog on
Oops can’t repeat them because of the ongoing investigation into the Dems.
Kriss3d on
Is there any time line to when we get the result from that vote?
I’m not an American. But it love to know when the vote is taking place.
MawsonAntarctica on
Well, shit, I’m convinced it’s going to end up being a big ball of nothing (redacted to hell) that MAGA and Trump are for it now.
bacchus213 on
The files will be released full of redactions, which due to some vague ‘ongoing investigation’, cannot be unredacted.
theflyassassin on
Trump could release the files without this show so I don’t believe this isn’t just buying some final time to complete the scrub or them claiming they can’t release because of an active investigation that they just started in to some democrats only.
AnonAmbientLight on
If it’s near unanimous backing in the House then why did almost every Republican vote ‘no’ in the first place?
What, were they scared they’d hurt a pedophile’s feelings?
ATrueRiverMonster on
Is there any realistic possibility at all, and I do mean at all, that the GOP actually sees this as a possibility to rid themselves of Trump. Like assuming still there is a level of corruption, selfishness, greed and general terribleness, maybe there are enough of them who aren’t monstrous criminals and also realize the dangers that Trump represent and this is their ticket out of his ride.
It provides the bonus of a) not pissing off the base via impeachment. AND b) allows them to make themselves look like they care because they all vote for the release.
As to Trump supporting the release, I don’t necessarily buy all the talk about the fix being in. I think it’s like when a little kid is digging his hole deeper while lying. “Fine release the files. I have nothing to hide.” Hoping that the appearance of innocence stops any further investigation. If it was because the fix was, why wouldn’t Trump come out with that stance much earlier.
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Ok but when will we get the *actual* files where Trump’s name isn’t scrubbed
I should look this up…but someone might know here.
I know that a presidential veto can be overridden with a 2/3 vote after the fact. But…can it be preemptively made to be unveto-able? If it is near unanimous, then it’s already shown to have enough support to override a veto. Or do we still go through the whole song and dance?
edit: Ok apparently this is a hard question to understand. I’ll attempt to rephrase…
Is there any circumstance in which the president CAN’T veto a bill?
edit edit: turns out I’ve found an even worse scenario…a pocket veto. If Trump lets it sit untouched for ten days, it’s effectively vetoed and can’t be overridden if Congress is adjourned. Knowing Mike Johnson, this is something he’d likely make happen if it’s within his power.
How difficult would a near-unanimous House vote make it for the Senate to ignore?
Unfortunately this will do nothing
Trump said he wants the files released…
Remember a few years ago when he said he could declassify and release anything he wants?
Surprisingly, he was pretty close to the truth on that. He doesn’t need to wait for a congressional vote.
Let us not forget to shame Troy Nehls (TX-22), who *still* has this X post up.
> I’ll be voting NO on the Epstein Hoax.
>The Democrats are using the Epstein Hoax to distract us from the winning of President Trump and his administration.
>My message to my Republican colleagues: Don’t let this noise keep us from delivering on the mandate the American people gave us.
>President Trump—I stand by you in the fight to save America. I’m not going to let this hoax, manufactured by Democrats, slow us down.
“The bill, however, bars Bondi from withholding, delaying or redacting material “on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary”.”
Bondi ain’t going to pay attention to this, if she pays attention to anything voted on.
This leads me to believe that Trump’s name has been scrubbed or replaced with Biden’s name. This will pass in the House, but stalls in the Senate or Trump will use the excuse of there’s an investigation ongoing and the files can’t be released again. I’m sure his taxes are still being audited too.
Whoever votes NO is going get ripped! Rightfully so! Peace for VG🙏🙏🙏
Too bad all the hard drives and photos and recordings from Epstein’s vault “disappeared” in the couple days it took to find the stuff and then come back with the correct warrant to retrieve it.
Everyone in Congress is backing the release now?
That’s exactly how you can tell that they’re either: Not going to actually be released or the files that will be released will have been altered to be meaningless.
Otherwise, there’s no way they’d all agree on this.
Yeah, call me when the Senate has those numbers to remove a veto.
Then release the actual files. I don’t think they exist anymore.
All of a sudden, everybody agrees about Epstein. The GOP can read election results and polls as well as anyone else, when they choose to do so. But, the fun one will be the Senate, where all but two Republicans voted not to release the ffiles in the past. Democrats will force a roll call.
And I’m sure the next minute, Pam Bondi will come out a that since there are Democrats under investigation, the files can’t be released. Or some other BS.
My shithead congressman, Steve Womack, had a sudden “family emergency” and will not be voting. His office won’t return emails and he refuses to publicly support the release.
His office even tried hanging up on me when I asked for his official position. They just said “he values transparency”
I hate these motherfuckers so much. Going to do everything possible to end his career.
Great now unanimously impeach
So, the Senate will block?
Anybody could have read this into the record on the floor by now. Any member with access could have leaked it to the press.
The only reason the machine is moving now is because the cover up is complete. Nothing is going to come from this.
It doesn’t matter at this point, they’ve covered it for too long. They’ve:
* Said it would be released in entirety
* Said it didn’t exist
* Said it did exist but was a Democratic hoax
* Said they did the investigation and there was no list
* Said there is a list, but the Democrats are the only ones on it in any damaging way
Trump and his administration, which has no regard whatsoever for dignity, respect, or rule of law all of a sudden is unanimously voting to release these after months and months of delaying and misdirecting? These files aren’t going to say “Trump fucked kids” because they won’t let it. We need to force this issue, because *we’re* the ones who want it released.
Not sure if it will ever come to this, but I think the only way to get Trump out of office is for a large enough group of people to general strike until he’s held accountable by his own party. Until then, us slaves should hurt their profit margins in the only way we can.
Gop doing everything they can to save their bacon come midterms. Do they finally ditch Trump? Or are they banking on the DOJ taking the blame for the redactions and keeping some files back.
Look, we’ll split the difference with Trump. Release the Epstein Files with ONLY his name redacted.
Of course, the executive branch can withhold any files that they deem pertinent to an ongoing investigation or that they claim executive privilege on, so passage of the bill won’t assure a full release at all.
Isn’t there some sort of international crimes Epstein’s name comes up with Trump? We need to find a source of the tie that’s not held on to like the dirtiest secret of all time. A nation that is willing to give up the documents without redaction.
Interesting. I expected maybe a dozen defections.
If it is passed near-unanimously in the house, hard to believe it doesn’t have the votes in the Senate.
And then Trump needs to sign it. And he can veto it. Lose-lose. If he vetoes it, he’s going to get impeached and removed. The maga crowd will lose it.
Pay attention to the ones that don’t vote in favor. It’s like a built in pedo-detector.
The files will then quickly become “part on an ongoing investigation by DoJ”, and the oly way we get any names is via the Epstein victims.
Release em! Don’t forget, it’s not just trump on em, it’s the whole damn class. They’re gonna try to Panama Papers any investigators too
Oops can’t repeat them because of the ongoing investigation into the Dems.
Is there any time line to when we get the result from that vote?
I’m not an American. But it love to know when the vote is taking place.
Well, shit, I’m convinced it’s going to end up being a big ball of nothing (redacted to hell) that MAGA and Trump are for it now.
The files will be released full of redactions, which due to some vague ‘ongoing investigation’, cannot be unredacted.
Trump could release the files without this show so I don’t believe this isn’t just buying some final time to complete the scrub or them claiming they can’t release because of an active investigation that they just started in to some democrats only.
If it’s near unanimous backing in the House then why did almost every Republican vote ‘no’ in the first place?
What, were they scared they’d hurt a pedophile’s feelings?
Is there any realistic possibility at all, and I do mean at all, that the GOP actually sees this as a possibility to rid themselves of Trump. Like assuming still there is a level of corruption, selfishness, greed and general terribleness, maybe there are enough of them who aren’t monstrous criminals and also realize the dangers that Trump represent and this is their ticket out of his ride.
It provides the bonus of a) not pissing off the base via impeachment. AND b) allows them to make themselves look like they care because they all vote for the release.
As to Trump supporting the release, I don’t necessarily buy all the talk about the fix being in. I think it’s like when a little kid is digging his hole deeper while lying. “Fine release the files. I have nothing to hide.” Hoping that the appearance of innocence stops any further investigation. If it was because the fix was, why wouldn’t Trump come out with that stance much earlier.
2/3 is enough to be veto proof