How’s that gonna save Americans money . How about give Americans the same free healthcare as the congress and the house gets
Lunatic020218 on
So Republicans unveil their *big new health care plan* just in time for Christmas! Surprise, surprise, surprise: it doesn’t actually extend Obamacare’s health insurance subsidies that millions of people rely on to *afford health care.*
The GOP hope new “association plans” and expanded access to health savings accounts will magically keep premiums down even as direct financial help disappears. This timeline is SO bogus.
sedatedlife on
This bill will do nothing that actually lowers cost making it easier for smaller businesses to offer healthcare will not have much of a impact when they can still choose not to do it. Health savings accounts might help if you are young and get them but will be a loss for everyone else.
Prestigious-Car-4877 on
So the plan is to kill the surplus population. Nice work assholes.
Fit_Condition6747 on
New Health care bill = Take two asprins and call somebody who gives a shit
SoftndPerky on
So the Gop’s shiny new health bill is basically: Let’s dismantle Obamacare’s subsidies and still call it healthcare reform. Absolute bullshit!
Dramatic-String-1246 on
So it’s a concept of a concept?
jstank2 on
Do you remember when Jon Stewart went before congress to beg for care to first responders effected by the 9/11 wreckage?
It was non other than Mike Johnson at the other end of the room, looking down on them from that bench with a fucking smirk on his face.
The man is straight garbage.
giroml on
These people are so out of touch with the common man. This country has become evil with greed.
HardTen on
Is this more “providing access to care” vs affordable care performative bullshit? ‘Cause it sure smells like it is.
CT_Phipps-Author on
The Republicans have their only option to extend the subsidiaries but don’t want to because that would actually require them to confront reality that their plans are failing.
Seriously, only three votes.
Appropriate-Soft-188 on
So the GOP’s new plan is to kick out your teeth and pawn them off to pay their billionaire overlords
reddit_is_kayfabe on
Here’s the basic idea of an HSA:
> You save money for when you get sick.
> If you get sick, you pay for your healthcare with the money you saved.
> If you need healthcare and you can’t pay for healthcare, you don’t get healthcare.
> The End.
Of course, the problem is that nobody knows how much healthcare they’ll need. If you live to 100 with no significant health issues and then die in your sleep, or if you’re instantly killed in a car accident tomorrow: healthcare = $0. Or maybe you’ll need an organ transplant, or experience a chronic health condition that requires a lifetime of care and expensive drugs: healthcare = $10,000,000.
Even looking past the small issue that people won’t be able to save $10,000,000 – this system is grossly inefficient on an individual level. If you save more for healthcare than you end up spending, then you’ve forgone better uses of that money during your life. And if you save less for healthcare than you end up needing, then you suffer and possibly die from conditions that our healthcare system could have solved.
But what is unknowable for a single person can be reliably predicted for a mass of people, thanks to the law of large numbers. So it’s more efficient *for everyone* if everyone pays into a pool, and the pool pays out for whatever healthcare is needed. And the efficiencies and confidence scale with population size.
Every other developed nation has figured this out. Republicans won’t let Americans understand that principle because they prefer a healthcare system that makes some people rich while other people suffer.
zubbs99 on
Laughably weak and a major backwards step, as expected. So tired of these ghouls attacking the ACA after 15 years.
HaxanWriter on
These rat fucks are comically evil.
Wenzdayzmom on
Republican healthcare plan:
1) Don’t get vaccinated
2) Don’t get sick
3) If you do get sick, it’s not our fault
4) If it’s serious, you’d best pray to Jeebus to save you
5) The population is too large. Cull the herd.
EmDeeAech70 on
Is this the “feel like an entrepreneur” plan that “allows” us to negotiate with insurance companies? Cuz, yea, insurance companies are lining up to slash prices in the name of competition 🙄
SummerSun75 on
Hey MAGA!!
Hundreds of thousands of you, maybe millions, are going to die because of Trump and the Republikan Party.
Go fuck yourselves!!
BBfan-Jr on
The republicans voted to get rid of all their healthcare and give all their money to billionaires. How can they be mad that they are getting exactly what they wanted?
Side note: there aren’t rules to life. I just ignore anyone who’s republican anymore. They don’t respect my neighbors so I’m not obligated to respect them.
JedLeonard1 on
And just like that, American life expectancy dropped even further!
Lowest in the G20, but don’t worry, Trump will make sure it gets worse
d_c_d_ on
HSAs aren’t a fucking healthcare plan.
prodigy1367 on
Republicans: We’re gonna give you guys $1,500 so you can get your own healthcare while your premiums over the year will well exceed that amount! How’s that sound?
MAGA: Sounds good to me!
opinionsareus on
The GOP consists of Russian plants; Evangelical Christian theocrats; fascist thugs; traitors; really, really dumb voters; and corrupt billionaires who support the whole thing.
LadyBogangles14 on
In 2014 I was okay with the ACA; it wasn’t perfect but it would help a lot of people without completely destroying our insurance infrastructure which as bad as it is, still employs a lot of people.
Now I’m a single issue voter, Medicare for all, free at POS healthcare. No gaps, no caps no exceptions. Make it like the library. Taxes, that you never notice pay for it and everyone can consult a professional when they need.
Burn the current system to the ground.
siouxbee1434 on
After 8-10 years bitching about the ACA, the plan the ‘family values/but the children’ party comes up with…don’t get sick; if you do, die quickly
Do-you-see-it-now on
These people stand up there and say this with a straight face. It is obscene.
skip6235 on
So glad the Democrats ended the shutdown for this. . .
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How’s that gonna save Americans money . How about give Americans the same free healthcare as the congress and the house gets
So Republicans unveil their *big new health care plan* just in time for Christmas! Surprise, surprise, surprise: it doesn’t actually extend Obamacare’s health insurance subsidies that millions of people rely on to *afford health care.*
The GOP hope new “association plans” and expanded access to health savings accounts will magically keep premiums down even as direct financial help disappears. This timeline is SO bogus.
This bill will do nothing that actually lowers cost making it easier for smaller businesses to offer healthcare will not have much of a impact when they can still choose not to do it. Health savings accounts might help if you are young and get them but will be a loss for everyone else.
So the plan is to kill the surplus population. Nice work assholes.
New Health care bill = Take two asprins and call somebody who gives a shit
So the Gop’s shiny new health bill is basically: Let’s dismantle Obamacare’s subsidies and still call it healthcare reform. Absolute bullshit!
So it’s a concept of a concept?
Do you remember when Jon Stewart went before congress to beg for care to first responders effected by the 9/11 wreckage?
It was non other than Mike Johnson at the other end of the room, looking down on them from that bench with a fucking smirk on his face.
The man is straight garbage.
These people are so out of touch with the common man. This country has become evil with greed.
Is this more “providing access to care” vs affordable care performative bullshit? ‘Cause it sure smells like it is.
The Republicans have their only option to extend the subsidiaries but don’t want to because that would actually require them to confront reality that their plans are failing.
Seriously, only three votes.
So the GOP’s new plan is to kick out your teeth and pawn them off to pay their billionaire overlords
Here’s the basic idea of an HSA:
> You save money for when you get sick.
> If you get sick, you pay for your healthcare with the money you saved.
> If you need healthcare and you can’t pay for healthcare, you don’t get healthcare.
> The End.
Of course, the problem is that nobody knows how much healthcare they’ll need. If you live to 100 with no significant health issues and then die in your sleep, or if you’re instantly killed in a car accident tomorrow: healthcare = $0. Or maybe you’ll need an organ transplant, or experience a chronic health condition that requires a lifetime of care and expensive drugs: healthcare = $10,000,000.
Even looking past the small issue that people won’t be able to save $10,000,000 – this system is grossly inefficient on an individual level. If you save more for healthcare than you end up spending, then you’ve forgone better uses of that money during your life. And if you save less for healthcare than you end up needing, then you suffer and possibly die from conditions that our healthcare system could have solved.
But what is unknowable for a single person can be reliably predicted for a mass of people, thanks to the law of large numbers. So it’s more efficient *for everyone* if everyone pays into a pool, and the pool pays out for whatever healthcare is needed. And the efficiencies and confidence scale with population size.
Every other developed nation has figured this out. Republicans won’t let Americans understand that principle because they prefer a healthcare system that makes some people rich while other people suffer.
Laughably weak and a major backwards step, as expected. So tired of these ghouls attacking the ACA after 15 years.
These rat fucks are comically evil.
Republican healthcare plan:
1) Don’t get vaccinated
2) Don’t get sick
3) If you do get sick, it’s not our fault
4) If it’s serious, you’d best pray to Jeebus to save you
5) The population is too large. Cull the herd.
Is this the “feel like an entrepreneur” plan that “allows” us to negotiate with insurance companies? Cuz, yea, insurance companies are lining up to slash prices in the name of competition 🙄
Hey MAGA!!
Hundreds of thousands of you, maybe millions, are going to die because of Trump and the Republikan Party.
Go fuck yourselves!!
The republicans voted to get rid of all their healthcare and give all their money to billionaires. How can they be mad that they are getting exactly what they wanted?
Side note: there aren’t rules to life. I just ignore anyone who’s republican anymore. They don’t respect my neighbors so I’m not obligated to respect them.
And just like that, American life expectancy dropped even further!
Lowest in the G20, but don’t worry, Trump will make sure it gets worse
HSAs aren’t a fucking healthcare plan.
Republicans: We’re gonna give you guys $1,500 so you can get your own healthcare while your premiums over the year will well exceed that amount! How’s that sound?
MAGA: Sounds good to me!
The GOP consists of Russian plants; Evangelical Christian theocrats; fascist thugs; traitors; really, really dumb voters; and corrupt billionaires who support the whole thing.
In 2014 I was okay with the ACA; it wasn’t perfect but it would help a lot of people without completely destroying our insurance infrastructure which as bad as it is, still employs a lot of people.
Now I’m a single issue voter, Medicare for all, free at POS healthcare. No gaps, no caps no exceptions. Make it like the library. Taxes, that you never notice pay for it and everyone can consult a professional when they need.
Burn the current system to the ground.
After 8-10 years bitching about the ACA, the plan the ‘family values/but the children’ party comes up with…don’t get sick; if you do, die quickly
These people stand up there and say this with a straight face. It is obscene.
So glad the Democrats ended the shutdown for this. . .