DOGE did not find $2T in fraud, but that doesn’t matter, Musk allies say | Musk allies spin DOGE as having a “higher purpose” beyond federal budget cuts
DOGE did not find $2T in fraud, but that doesn’t matter, Musk allies say | Musk allies spin DOGE as having a “higher purpose” beyond federal budget cuts
“We don’t want reason. We just want you to tell us what we want to hear…”
~Musk/Trump Cucks.
ianrl337 on
Yes, putting Elon in charge of the country
MrPantsyFlants on
They accessed and cross referenced all the datat across federal agencies. They have a copy of that data and the source code for the agencies systems. That was always the purpose. they have easily cross referenced extortion material on many powerful Americans and indeed many international people and governments of consequence.
That’s why it ended so abruptly, they had the info they needed so they stopped cold. It was never about savings or efficiency.
Pale-and-Willing on
Like stealing the personal info of Americans.
Hrmbee on
Some of the many issues:
>Determining how “successful” Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) truly was depends on who you ask, but it’s increasingly hard to claim that DOGE made any sizable dent in federal spending, which was its primary goal.
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>Just two weeks ago, Musk himself notably downplayed DOGE as only being “a little bit successful” on a podcast, marking one of the first times that Musk admitted DOGE didn’t live up to its promise. Then, more recently, on Monday, Musk revived evidence-free claims he made while campaigning for Donald Trump, insisting that government fraud remained vast and unchecked, seemingly despite DOGE’s efforts. On X, he estimated that “my lower bound guess for how much fraud there is nationally is [about 20 percent] of the Federal budget, which would mean $1.5 trillion per year. Probably much higher.”
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>When Musk first proposed DOGE, he was on the campaign trail with Donald Trump, vowing to help end government waste and fraud. At an October 2024 rally, Musk claimed DOGE could save the federal government “at least $2 trillion,” The Guardian reported. But immediately after Trump’s inauguration, he slashed his goal in half, vowing to cut $1 trillion in government waste from the federal budget. Later, as DOGE efforts faced immediate backlash, the goal was reduced again, this time to a much more modest $150 billion, the Cato Institute reported.
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>In reality, The Guardian reported, “much of what the agency has done remains a mystery.” Although Musk promised DOGE would be transparent, the government has impeded lawsuits seeking discovery documents to create paper trails on DOGE cuts. And DOGE’s cost-cutting tracker on its website can’t be trusted, The Guardian reported, as it contains “egregious errors” and DOGE’s accounting methods are unreliable.
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>Even setting aside that the tracker and “wall of receipts” are likely “overblown,” The Guardian noted, DOGE claims to have cut about $214 billion in government spending and saved about $61 billion in cancelled contracts—far from reaching Musk’s extreme waste estimates. Meanwhile, Democrats investigating DOGE reported in July that the agency “may have caused around $21.7 billion in waste.” As to DOGE slashing about nine percent of the federal workforce, the Cato Institute estimated that it may have triggered more costly federal contracts, perhaps increasing costs and possibly degrading services down the road.
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>The bottom line is that government spending increased under DOGE, and there was no noticeable impact on the month-to-month budget after DOGE cuts began, the Cato Institute reported. “The federal government spent $7.6 trillion in the first 11 months of calendar year 2025, approximately $248 billion higher by November of 2025 compared to the same month in 2024,” its report said.
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>While Musk continues to fixate on fraud in the federal budget, his allies in government and Silicon Valley have begun spinning anyone criticizing DOGE’s failure to hit the promised target as missing the “higher purpose” of DOGE, The Guardian reported.
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>Five allies granted anonymity to discuss DOGE’s goals told The Guardian that the point of DOGE was to “fundamentally” reform government by eradicating “taboos” around hiring and firing, “expanding the use of untested technologies, and lowering resistance to boundary-pushing start-ups seeking federal contracts.” Now, the federal government can operate more like a company, Musk’s allies said.
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>The libertarian think tank, the Cato Institute, did celebrate DOGE for producing “the largest peacetime workforce cut on record,” even while acknowledging that DOGE had little impact on federal spending.
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>“It is important to note that DOGE’s target was to reduce the budget in absolute real terms without reference to a baseline projection. DOGE did not cut spending by either standard,” the Cato Institute reported.
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>Although the Cato Institute joined allies praising DOGE’s dramatic shrinking of the federal workforce, the director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution, Elaine Kamarck, told Ars in November that DOGE “cut muscle, not fat” because “they didn’t really know what they were doing.”
It’s not surprising that the rhetoric around DOGE was overblown. Overpromising, underdelivering, and then changing the goalposts is pretty much the MO of Elon and his collaborators and supporters these days. That being said, there’s no denying that they have caused havoc to departments across the government through their ill-informed cuts, and consequently have hindered the government’s ability to deliver programs and services while at the same time seriously eroding the privacy of every American.
hughdint1 on
We all know that the real reason for DOGE was to scare and intimidate federal workers and others and had NOTHING to do with efficiency.
No-Post4444 on
“We didn’t find the main thing we advertised finding. But, hey, least Musk ended all investigations against himself and his companies. So…you know, go DOGE!!” /s
Yes, because its intended purpose was *always* to derail the investigations into Musk’s unethical work and end the offices of the inspectors general.
I’d say it was 100% effective.
RoseCityHooligan on
It was a 100% success in achieving its actual goal – revenge against any agency that dared to regulate or investigate Musk.
StrigiStockBacking on
So, when you’re caught with your pants down, you just redefine the narrative???
How stupid do they think we are
Alternative_Rate7474 on
Scum. May these people never find another good job for the rest of their lives.
Xalazi on
The most “successful” people in the world are successful because they are rich enough to claim victory even during obvious massive failures and outright fraud.
morbob on
His Higher purpose was to install a back door on the computer system.
JaffaSG1 on
Yeah… as in stealing social security data, laundering money and disassembling government’s IT security measures.
tapdancinghellspawn on
Yeah, bigger tax breaks for billionaires.
shadowriku459 on
Fuck Musk, his allies and his supporters.
Wild_Read9062 on
Higher purpose: the friends they made along the way… and all the data they stole.
theclansman22 on
That higher purpose, of course, was to defraud the government, end investigations into his companies and steal the data of millions of Americans.
hummajeep on
Stealing your fuckin data
Impossible_IT on
Higher purpose of stealing government data. Mission accomplished.
MikeInPajamas on
“I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing Musk on Mars, ~~and returning him safely to the Earth.~~” — J.F.K.
AmelaPandersen on
“Kung Fu Elon” the pedophile.
tenebre on
So much fraud yet he found no provable cases of fraud during his entire DOGE run. I’ll never understand why anyone listens to this clown.
glaringinaccuracy on
One of the biggest “well no shit, Sherlock” moments of the whole year. His entire higher purpose was to send in a squad of broccoli-headed dinks to steal American data, damage infrastructure, and eliminate oversight and regulation (especially against him personally) so it’ll be easier to sell and manipulate data in the future.
And he got away with it. For now at least.
mistertickertape on
It was always bullshit. The pretext, the savings, what they were doing, the reasons they stopped. All of it. Complete and total bullshit. Elon Musk is a liar and his empire is built on hype, lies, and fraud. He will be held accountable even if it takes decades for it to happen.
ArtificialBra1n on
Among other things, I’m sure all the federal investigation materials related to Elon and his companies disappeared without a trace. The SEC, FTC, FAA, NLRB, OSHA, FCC, FDA, DOD, EPA, USAID, and the DOJ were all on his ass before the regime took office.
I know no one wants to entertain the notion of election interference/fraud in the 2024 race. But, you have to admit, Trump and Elon *needed* to win. Both were facing prison and/or financial ruin if the Dems remained in office. I can’t imagine they would risk leaving it to chance.
It did have a higher purpose, which is reduction in government oversight and degradation of mission to better allow oligarchs to oligarch. Miller and Vought carry on that mission.
improvisedwisdom on
Yeah, theft and fraud on their end
Infamous_Employer_85 on
So it’s basically a religion based on faith alone, no evidence at all. So in the same category as trickle down (horse and sparrow) economics.
PaleInspector4820 on
It did have a higher purpose: killing children
According_Gift_7095 on
Yep,
1 they were placing back doors on all OUR personal data held by the govt – an immensely valuable trove of data for nation states and businesses.
2. He destroyed programs that benefited poors which were cost neutral due to fines they imposed on rule breakers (CFPB, EPA, etc)
3. He destroyed evidence the govt had on his dirty business dealings like the fact Teslas are 2x more likely to be fatal than all other auto manufacturers.
Lastly, he’s a nazi. You don’t really need any other reasons beyond his dual nazi salutes.
Artistic_Half_8301 on
Cutting federal spending doesn’t lower your taxes, it just takes things away.
FredFredrickson on
Imagine believing that they found $2T in fraud and didn’t prosecute a single person for it.
Republican voters are such fools.
charcoalist on
Possibly the worst national security breach in US history. Considering musk’s close ties to both Russia and China, it would be safe to say that US adversaries are now in possession of the most sensitive data in the US. To put it simply, treason. And trump gave musk the access, elon shouldn’t take all of the credit.
>The employees grew concerned that the NLRB’s confidential data could be exposed, particularly after they started detecting suspicious log-in attempts from an IP address in Russia
That higher purpose was killing oversight of his companies and gathering data to further his goals…
Chris_HitTheOver on
Like killing high speed internet projects in rural communities to push more business to Starlink?
Right.
JacquoRock on
This, kids, is why you should only use ketamine under a doctor’s care.
cavortingwebeasties on
That higher purpose? Data theft, which they were 100% successful. That and quashing investigations/investigators looking into Musk’s systematic malpractices at his numerous companies
**edit**: forgot to include the part about installing backdoors on every critical system they raided
Peppers-GhostMirror on
“Higher purpose….?” Yeah, stealing our information with zero criminal ramifications. Got it.
ogn3rd on
Data exfiltration via tinyballs and his friend.
toxiamaple on
They are all performance for the cameras. They caused fear and chaos. And pain for many people who lost jobs and funding.
metallicadefender on
Its just so hypocritical coming from him. No one would know who the fuck Musk is if it weren’t for Government subsidies.
Plastic_Key_4146 on
The higher purpose being the preventable deaths of millions, to protect corporations from accountability to the consumers they defrauded, to steal government data to build a giant database of all our private information, to ruin the lives of average Americans so they’ll accept lower wages, and to undermine our institutions so the public will have no choice but to serve our new feudal corporate overlords.
Did I miss anything? This year has been a long list of Republican failures and treason at the hands of this lawless regime.
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“We don’t want reason. We just want you to tell us what we want to hear…”
~Musk/Trump Cucks.
Yes, putting Elon in charge of the country
They accessed and cross referenced all the datat across federal agencies. They have a copy of that data and the source code for the agencies systems. That was always the purpose. they have easily cross referenced extortion material on many powerful Americans and indeed many international people and governments of consequence.
That’s why it ended so abruptly, they had the info they needed so they stopped cold. It was never about savings or efficiency.
Like stealing the personal info of Americans.
Some of the many issues:
>Determining how “successful” Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) truly was depends on who you ask, but it’s increasingly hard to claim that DOGE made any sizable dent in federal spending, which was its primary goal.
>
>Just two weeks ago, Musk himself notably downplayed DOGE as only being “a little bit successful” on a podcast, marking one of the first times that Musk admitted DOGE didn’t live up to its promise. Then, more recently, on Monday, Musk revived evidence-free claims he made while campaigning for Donald Trump, insisting that government fraud remained vast and unchecked, seemingly despite DOGE’s efforts. On X, he estimated that “my lower bound guess for how much fraud there is nationally is [about 20 percent] of the Federal budget, which would mean $1.5 trillion per year. Probably much higher.”
>
>…
>
>When Musk first proposed DOGE, he was on the campaign trail with Donald Trump, vowing to help end government waste and fraud. At an October 2024 rally, Musk claimed DOGE could save the federal government “at least $2 trillion,” The Guardian reported. But immediately after Trump’s inauguration, he slashed his goal in half, vowing to cut $1 trillion in government waste from the federal budget. Later, as DOGE efforts faced immediate backlash, the goal was reduced again, this time to a much more modest $150 billion, the Cato Institute reported.
>
>In reality, The Guardian reported, “much of what the agency has done remains a mystery.” Although Musk promised DOGE would be transparent, the government has impeded lawsuits seeking discovery documents to create paper trails on DOGE cuts. And DOGE’s cost-cutting tracker on its website can’t be trusted, The Guardian reported, as it contains “egregious errors” and DOGE’s accounting methods are unreliable.
>
>Even setting aside that the tracker and “wall of receipts” are likely “overblown,” The Guardian noted, DOGE claims to have cut about $214 billion in government spending and saved about $61 billion in cancelled contracts—far from reaching Musk’s extreme waste estimates. Meanwhile, Democrats investigating DOGE reported in July that the agency “may have caused around $21.7 billion in waste.” As to DOGE slashing about nine percent of the federal workforce, the Cato Institute estimated that it may have triggered more costly federal contracts, perhaps increasing costs and possibly degrading services down the road.
>
>The bottom line is that government spending increased under DOGE, and there was no noticeable impact on the month-to-month budget after DOGE cuts began, the Cato Institute reported. “The federal government spent $7.6 trillion in the first 11 months of calendar year 2025, approximately $248 billion higher by November of 2025 compared to the same month in 2024,” its report said.
>
>…
>
>While Musk continues to fixate on fraud in the federal budget, his allies in government and Silicon Valley have begun spinning anyone criticizing DOGE’s failure to hit the promised target as missing the “higher purpose” of DOGE, The Guardian reported.
>
>Five allies granted anonymity to discuss DOGE’s goals told The Guardian that the point of DOGE was to “fundamentally” reform government by eradicating “taboos” around hiring and firing, “expanding the use of untested technologies, and lowering resistance to boundary-pushing start-ups seeking federal contracts.” Now, the federal government can operate more like a company, Musk’s allies said.
>
>The libertarian think tank, the Cato Institute, did celebrate DOGE for producing “the largest peacetime workforce cut on record,” even while acknowledging that DOGE had little impact on federal spending.
>
>“It is important to note that DOGE’s target was to reduce the budget in absolute real terms without reference to a baseline projection. DOGE did not cut spending by either standard,” the Cato Institute reported.
>
>…
>
>Although the Cato Institute joined allies praising DOGE’s dramatic shrinking of the federal workforce, the director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution, Elaine Kamarck, told Ars in November that DOGE “cut muscle, not fat” because “they didn’t really know what they were doing.”
It’s not surprising that the rhetoric around DOGE was overblown. Overpromising, underdelivering, and then changing the goalposts is pretty much the MO of Elon and his collaborators and supporters these days. That being said, there’s no denying that they have caused havoc to departments across the government through their ill-informed cuts, and consequently have hindered the government’s ability to deliver programs and services while at the same time seriously eroding the privacy of every American.
We all know that the real reason for DOGE was to scare and intimidate federal workers and others and had NOTHING to do with efficiency.
“We didn’t find the main thing we advertised finding. But, hey, least Musk ended all investigations against himself and his companies. So…you know, go DOGE!!” /s
Doge is a [dodge](https://youtu.be/QibWyMXvwvM?si=qwpj0sbcdHkD5dMm)
Yes, because its intended purpose was *always* to derail the investigations into Musk’s unethical work and end the offices of the inspectors general.
I’d say it was 100% effective.
It was a 100% success in achieving its actual goal – revenge against any agency that dared to regulate or investigate Musk.
So, when you’re caught with your pants down, you just redefine the narrative???
How stupid do they think we are
Scum. May these people never find another good job for the rest of their lives.
The most “successful” people in the world are successful because they are rich enough to claim victory even during obvious massive failures and outright fraud.
His Higher purpose was to install a back door on the computer system.
Yeah… as in stealing social security data, laundering money and disassembling government’s IT security measures.
Yeah, bigger tax breaks for billionaires.
Fuck Musk, his allies and his supporters.
Higher purpose: the friends they made along the way… and all the data they stole.
That higher purpose, of course, was to defraud the government, end investigations into his companies and steal the data of millions of Americans.
Stealing your fuckin data
Higher purpose of stealing government data. Mission accomplished.
“I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing Musk on Mars, ~~and returning him safely to the Earth.~~” — J.F.K.
“Kung Fu Elon” the pedophile.
So much fraud yet he found no provable cases of fraud during his entire DOGE run. I’ll never understand why anyone listens to this clown.
One of the biggest “well no shit, Sherlock” moments of the whole year. His entire higher purpose was to send in a squad of broccoli-headed dinks to steal American data, damage infrastructure, and eliminate oversight and regulation (especially against him personally) so it’ll be easier to sell and manipulate data in the future.
And he got away with it. For now at least.
It was always bullshit. The pretext, the savings, what they were doing, the reasons they stopped. All of it. Complete and total bullshit. Elon Musk is a liar and his empire is built on hype, lies, and fraud. He will be held accountable even if it takes decades for it to happen.
Among other things, I’m sure all the federal investigation materials related to Elon and his companies disappeared without a trace. The SEC, FTC, FAA, NLRB, OSHA, FCC, FDA, DOD, EPA, USAID, and the DOJ were all on his ass before the regime took office.
I know no one wants to entertain the notion of election interference/fraud in the 2024 race. But, you have to admit, Trump and Elon *needed* to win. Both were facing prison and/or financial ruin if the Dems remained in office. I can’t imagine they would risk leaving it to chance.
So you’re saying that DOGE had a [special purpose](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbAupr4PrZnmLFM916HZy5bd6gvxTCt25B0Q&s)?
It did have a higher purpose, which is reduction in government oversight and degradation of mission to better allow oligarchs to oligarch. Miller and Vought carry on that mission.
Yeah, theft and fraud on their end
So it’s basically a religion based on faith alone, no evidence at all. So in the same category as trickle down (horse and sparrow) economics.
It did have a higher purpose: killing children
Yep,
1 they were placing back doors on all OUR personal data held by the govt – an immensely valuable trove of data for nation states and businesses.
2. He destroyed programs that benefited poors which were cost neutral due to fines they imposed on rule breakers (CFPB, EPA, etc)
3. He destroyed evidence the govt had on his dirty business dealings like the fact Teslas are 2x more likely to be fatal than all other auto manufacturers.
Lastly, he’s a nazi. You don’t really need any other reasons beyond his dual nazi salutes.
Cutting federal spending doesn’t lower your taxes, it just takes things away.
Imagine believing that they found $2T in fraud and didn’t prosecute a single person for it.
Republican voters are such fools.
Possibly the worst national security breach in US history. Considering musk’s close ties to both Russia and China, it would be safe to say that US adversaries are now in possession of the most sensitive data in the US. To put it simply, treason. And trump gave musk the access, elon shouldn’t take all of the credit.
[A whistleblower’s disclosure details how DOGE may have taken sensitive labor data](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-musk-spacex-security)
>The employees grew concerned that the NLRB’s confidential data could be exposed, particularly after they started detecting suspicious log-in attempts from an IP address in Russia
[Elon Musk has been in regular contact with Putin for two years, says report](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/25/elon-musk-has-been-in-regular-contact-with-putin-for-two-years-say-reports)
[Are Elon Musk’s China ties a national security risk?](https://www.vox.com/world-politics/404621/elon-musk-china-tesla-trump)
Dismantling USAID was the crime of the century.
That higher purpose was killing oversight of his companies and gathering data to further his goals…
Like killing high speed internet projects in rural communities to push more business to Starlink?
Right.
This, kids, is why you should only use ketamine under a doctor’s care.
That higher purpose? Data theft, which they were 100% successful. That and quashing investigations/investigators looking into Musk’s systematic malpractices at his numerous companies
**edit**: forgot to include the part about installing backdoors on every critical system they raided
“Higher purpose….?” Yeah, stealing our information with zero criminal ramifications. Got it.
Data exfiltration via tinyballs and his friend.
They are all performance for the cameras. They caused fear and chaos. And pain for many people who lost jobs and funding.
Its just so hypocritical coming from him. No one would know who the fuck Musk is if it weren’t for Government subsidies.
The higher purpose being the preventable deaths of millions, to protect corporations from accountability to the consumers they defrauded, to steal government data to build a giant database of all our private information, to ruin the lives of average Americans so they’ll accept lower wages, and to undermine our institutions so the public will have no choice but to serve our new feudal corporate overlords.
Did I miss anything? This year has been a long list of Republican failures and treason at the hands of this lawless regime.
Data theft and embezzlement?