Then DHS needs to provide an alternative that is available to all citizens for free.
Variak21 on
We need a REAL, No joke ID instead of just a REAL ID. DUH!
brain_overclocked on
>*It’s the punch line to a bad joke that started 20 years ago when Congress passed the REAL ID Act.*
>Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn’t even work as a national ID.
>But that’s what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
>In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
>Lavoie’s declaration was in response to a federal civil rights lawsuit filed in October by the Institute for Justice, a public-interest law firm, on behalf of Leo Garcia Venegas, an Alabama construction worker. Venegas was detained twice in May and June during immigration raids on private construction sites, despite being a U.S. citizen. In both instances, Venegas’ lawsuit says, masked federal immigration officers entered the private sites without a warrant and began detaining workers based solely on their apparent ethnicity.
>And in both instances officers allegedly retrieved Venegas’ Alabama-issued REAL ID from his pocket but claimed it could be fake. Venegas was kept handcuffed and detained for an hour the first time and “between 20 and 30 minutes” the second time before officers ran his information and released him.
>Lavoie’s declaration says that the agents “needed to further verify his U.S. citizenship because each state has its own REAL ID compliance laws, which may provide for the issuance of a REAL ID to an alien and therefore based on HSI Special Agent training and experience, REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
>It’s the punch line to a bad joke with a 20-year windup. When Congress passed the REAL ID Act in 2005. It was sold as a post-9/11 security measure to create uniform standards for state IDs, including clearly listing citizenship or lawful immigration status. State IDs that conformed to the requirements would be marked with a star. Contrary to the cheeky first sentence of this story, DHS insists that REAL ID is not a national ID system, and that it doesn’t involve a centralized national database. (Civil liberties groups say it amounts to a de facto national ID system anyway.)
RoosterMedical on
How much money did they waste on this?
Arec_Barwin on
These goalposts must be exhausted from constantly being on the move…
Dresden_2028 on
That’s because it’s not about actually confirming citizenship. If you’re not here for the white reasons, the GOP wants to get rid of you.
Broad-Half3135 on
We’re not that far away from a voting system that only allows rich people to vote
TomSki2 on
I though DHS said that Real ID was only unreliable for those with darker skin tones /s.
whatproblems on
follow the law carry your id! j/k we changed the law ids no longer valid. the only one that’s allowed is the family guy skin color chart
Bubbly-Two-3449 on
tech bros want more info about you.
pjflyr13 on
The passport that required a birth certificate and my drivers license weren’t enough to prove I’m a citizen?
entrepenurious on
when they instituted ‘real ID’ i couldn’t renew my drivers license because i couldn’t find my birth certificate (never mind that i was cleared for ‘top secret’ when i was in the army security agency).
chronomagnus on
Just remember to carry your papers for inspection by Comrade Trump’s Stasi. And remember, the rest of the world is jealous of our freedoms.
KingSeth on
I bet they think skin color is more reliable.
L3XAN on
Oh my god, I knew it had to be about that construction worker who was detained despite having REAL ID. Guess what, you can get arrested even if you have your papers, and the government will argue in court that your papers don’t count.
potato_bus on
Translation: citizens will be disappearing at an even higher rate
redwing180 on
Oh for fucks sake, these ass bandits just want to have some sort of authority to ruin people’s lives willy-nilly but they keep on having it blow up in their face when someone presents a real ID card verifying their legal status. Then they get butt hurt because they have to legally let the person go, a person of which they never should’ve detained in the first place.
mistertickertape on
It’s almost like they don’t want anyone to become a citizen, including anyone who is born here to people who are here.
LightWarrior_2000 on
Sometimes this shit gets so scary that even as a white 39 male. I worry somehow Trump is gonna bad and tag me one day for reasons. Since it’s already happening.
ogreofnorth on
Then why did Trump and all the republicans use it as the primary way to verify citizenship for voting?
mowotlarx on
Oh? Then I’ll wait on my refund since I paid extra to upgrade.
daerath on
Yes. Totally unreliable as a mechanism of confirming citizenship even though you are REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO GET ONE.
NoSwimmers45 on
America, where the rules are made up and following them doesn’t matter (…for the rich).
ryguydrummerboy on
Me, brown: so what the fuck am i supposed to carry on me now? My literal birth cert up my ass?
Honky_Stonk_Man on
This is exactly why I opposed voter ID laws to begin with. It was a solution in search of a problem. Incidents of fraud were uncommonly rare, and often found and prosecuted. Now not only have we started to require ID, but now the ID isn’t enough. We needed REAL ID. Now I have to carry a small folder of documents just to get a drivers license which supposedly is for a privilege of driving, and not a requirement for identity. You see the path here folks? IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
Brief-Whole692 on
This is fucking insane. Enough, get these people out of office
JerkBezerberg on
DHS is clearly full of shit
Kitalahara on
And here is where they push to deny people the opportunity to vote. Facsist scum.
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Then DHS needs to provide an alternative that is available to all citizens for free.
We need a REAL, No joke ID instead of just a REAL ID. DUH!
>*It’s the punch line to a bad joke that started 20 years ago when Congress passed the REAL ID Act.*
>Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn’t even work as a national ID.
>But that’s what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
>In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
>Lavoie’s declaration was in response to a federal civil rights lawsuit filed in October by the Institute for Justice, a public-interest law firm, on behalf of Leo Garcia Venegas, an Alabama construction worker. Venegas was detained twice in May and June during immigration raids on private construction sites, despite being a U.S. citizen. In both instances, Venegas’ lawsuit says, masked federal immigration officers entered the private sites without a warrant and began detaining workers based solely on their apparent ethnicity.
>And in both instances officers allegedly retrieved Venegas’ Alabama-issued REAL ID from his pocket but claimed it could be fake. Venegas was kept handcuffed and detained for an hour the first time and “between 20 and 30 minutes” the second time before officers ran his information and released him.
>Lavoie’s declaration says that the agents “needed to further verify his U.S. citizenship because each state has its own REAL ID compliance laws, which may provide for the issuance of a REAL ID to an alien and therefore based on HSI Special Agent training and experience, REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
>It’s the punch line to a bad joke with a 20-year windup. When Congress passed the REAL ID Act in 2005. It was sold as a post-9/11 security measure to create uniform standards for state IDs, including clearly listing citizenship or lawful immigration status. State IDs that conformed to the requirements would be marked with a star. Contrary to the cheeky first sentence of this story, DHS insists that REAL ID is not a national ID system, and that it doesn’t involve a centralized national database. (Civil liberties groups say it amounts to a de facto national ID system anyway.)
How much money did they waste on this?
These goalposts must be exhausted from constantly being on the move…
That’s because it’s not about actually confirming citizenship. If you’re not here for the white reasons, the GOP wants to get rid of you.
We’re not that far away from a voting system that only allows rich people to vote
I though DHS said that Real ID was only unreliable for those with darker skin tones /s.
follow the law carry your id! j/k we changed the law ids no longer valid. the only one that’s allowed is the family guy skin color chart
tech bros want more info about you.
The passport that required a birth certificate and my drivers license weren’t enough to prove I’m a citizen?
when they instituted ‘real ID’ i couldn’t renew my drivers license because i couldn’t find my birth certificate (never mind that i was cleared for ‘top secret’ when i was in the army security agency).
Just remember to carry your papers for inspection by Comrade Trump’s Stasi. And remember, the rest of the world is jealous of our freedoms.
I bet they think skin color is more reliable.
Oh my god, I knew it had to be about that construction worker who was detained despite having REAL ID. Guess what, you can get arrested even if you have your papers, and the government will argue in court that your papers don’t count.
Translation: citizens will be disappearing at an even higher rate
Oh for fucks sake, these ass bandits just want to have some sort of authority to ruin people’s lives willy-nilly but they keep on having it blow up in their face when someone presents a real ID card verifying their legal status. Then they get butt hurt because they have to legally let the person go, a person of which they never should’ve detained in the first place.
It’s almost like they don’t want anyone to become a citizen, including anyone who is born here to people who are here.
Sometimes this shit gets so scary that even as a white 39 male. I worry somehow Trump is gonna bad and tag me one day for reasons. Since it’s already happening.
Then why did Trump and all the republicans use it as the primary way to verify citizenship for voting?
Oh? Then I’ll wait on my refund since I paid extra to upgrade.
Yes. Totally unreliable as a mechanism of confirming citizenship even though you are REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO GET ONE.
America, where the rules are made up and following them doesn’t matter (…for the rich).
Me, brown: so what the fuck am i supposed to carry on me now? My literal birth cert up my ass?
This is exactly why I opposed voter ID laws to begin with. It was a solution in search of a problem. Incidents of fraud were uncommonly rare, and often found and prosecuted. Now not only have we started to require ID, but now the ID isn’t enough. We needed REAL ID. Now I have to carry a small folder of documents just to get a drivers license which supposedly is for a privilege of driving, and not a requirement for identity. You see the path here folks? IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
This is fucking insane. Enough, get these people out of office
DHS is clearly full of shit
And here is where they push to deny people the opportunity to vote. Facsist scum.
And the grift continues.