>Simply filming these agents is enough to be branded a domestic terrorist.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
Incredible that each weekend America has done something fucked up/something fucked up has happened in America.
>Minnesota is home to the biggest Somali community in the country, making it a target of Trump’s animus: this week, he described Somalis as “low-IQ people”, not even trying to conceal his racism.
Fascinating.
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TurnipTutor on
Man, this is legit terrifying. I live nowhere near Minneapolis and even I’m getting that pit-in-your-stomach feeling reading this. It really does feel like we’re sliding into something ugly and nobody in charge wants to say it out loud. Like yeah, this isn’t normal, and pretending it makes it worse.
Truthisnotallowed on
>”When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled ‘made in Germany’; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, ‘Americanism.'” – Halford E. Luccock (1938)
Biodiversity1001 on
How about media blackouts? I turned the TV on at 6pm to catch the local news on CBS (kind of critical with a storm bearing down on us). There was a college bb game on with 6 minutes left. That took a half hour to play out. National news was scheduled to come on at 630. When the game ended the channel went black screen. It was black screen for some minutes (other channels not affected) and then kicked in at the tail end of the latest shooting in MN.
Did the local news come on at 7? Nope, paid programming for hearing aids.
BTW this is Maine, having it’s own surge and huge protests right now which is only seen on the local news-when they don’t pre empt it, or course.
Snoo87653 on
Americans of every level just need to simply ask themselves, has America become a more violent, more divided, more dysfunctional country since Trump entered politics.
It wasn’t perfect before he came, far from it. But how MAGA can say America is on the right path now needs to some serious self reflection.
Aware-Chipmunk4344 on
From now on civilians maybe should stay away from ICE agents as far as they can to protect themselves.
Each state can expand their SDF to the size of around 100 thousand people by recruiting volunteers, wearing uniforms and badges, carrying auto rifles and well trained in their marksmanship.
20 SDF persons form one squadron to be sent out to various locations to monitor and record ICE actions. ICE agents likely dare not confront directly with 20 persons all in uniforms and carrying auto rifles, so their behaviour will somehow be more restrained.
On voting days, these SDF squadrons can be sent out to the vicinities of polling stations to maintain order.
Psephological on
A civil war would involve two sides fighting.
At present you have a militia going off remit and murdering civilians.
TheDoctorAtReddit on
Civil war is already here, except that it hasn’t been officially designated as one, but all the elements are there. The military need to side with the civilian population against the personal militia ICE is. Most likely ICE was created to have a 100% loyal army in case the military flips. That’s why they want to increase their budget. Current government should be removed and tried for high treason to the people and Constitution of the US.
Dark_Foggy_Evenings on
Question for Americans: why the fuck is it reminiscent? Do you all think you can vote these men out of power?
Stoic_cave on
Time for a revolt, US population outnumbers government forces, 1% of the population is military. Rise up!
I’ve seen the video repeatedly over the last 24 hours and it hit even harder this morning. This guy was just trying to help a couple women being harassed by ICE. They gang tackled him, murdered him after being disarmed, continued shooting bullets into his lifeless body, and then an agent celebrated. Just fucking unreal, I’m so mad.
p00pSupr3me on
Republican voters forced this onto the entire country
ripndipp on
Nobody is cheering for this, everyone is upset about Alex Prettis killing, I’m from Canada and it’s so upsetting to see us lose a fucking nurse, some dumbass chud murdered him, we lost a great person.
Metrostation984 on
States and cities run by democrats need to prepare for Trump and ICE asap!
As much as I disagree personally they need to get away with the gun laws, let people get licensed, purchase guns and open carry so they can join up in neighborhood watches to deter ICE.
They need to get local law enforcement in line. They can’t have ICE supporting leadership in the PDs. They need to pass laws that are going to make the police watch ICE operations closely and they need to fill the role of civil protection. The police needs to be around when ICE is doing their stuff, to ensure that they don’t infringe on people’s rights. If someone has shown documentation or is a minor they can’t just be kidnapped.
Build up detention centers that ICE has to use. Make them register and process the detainees, let them call a lawyer and so on. Don’t let them just take and disappear people.
It’s all stuff that is not at the root of the problem, I know, abolish ICE yada yada yada but at least there will be some more security, there will be paper trails and a way to hold ICE accountable.
Cool_Discipline5423 on
There will be no inflection point of any sort.
Instead, it is going to accelerate even more.
Sad truth is the only way to a avoid an open civil war is now to submit to fascism.
Also, the chances to revert back from it without violence are extremely slim no matter what.
So, at this point the choice is basically CivW now, or CivW years from now and fascism in the meanwhile.
There’s no other way around it.
Arkmer on
War is when both sides fight.
I only see violence from one side.
When one side fights, it’s oppression or genocide.
Feinty on
If this isn’t enough to stop them, and they get emboldened by actual government, president including and all the bots online. If they really do think there will be nothing their leaders won’t excuse away and close the door on anything else… What’s stopping them from going even full mask off and keep inflicting more and more hard until … Well
“What kind of American are you?”
It’s fucking scary
Animegirl300 on
This has literally always been the game-plan: they wanted to start off a second civil war back with the Proud boys and Boogaloo boys vs BLM, but that didn’t work in 2020, so instead they created their own state-sanctioned terror group to spark it instead.
Ninevehenian on
The civil war began when the turtle used lies and power to steal 3 seats on SCOTUS, there it crossed the line from the madness of the tea party and a system that tried to do the job and crossed into a phenomenon where illegitimate use of power were required to function.
Since then political violence has become more and more frequent and the conflict has been heating up. Partly planned, partly by “somebody do something” orders given, mostly by GOP figues.
The violence can be expected to continue. Even if people won’t agree that it is a civil war, we should be able to establish that the phenomenon is ongoing, is violent, has the goal to take control of USA and is using means that aren’t legitimate or decent, that aren’t democratic.
If nobody is willing to stop GOP from using violence to control the House, Greenland and the Senate, then there will be more violence.
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>Simply filming these agents is enough to be branded a domestic terrorist.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
Incredible that each weekend America has done something fucked up/something fucked up has happened in America.
>Minnesota is home to the biggest Somali community in the country, making it a target of Trump’s animus: this week, he described Somalis as “low-IQ people”, not even trying to conceal his racism.
Fascinating.
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Man, this is legit terrifying. I live nowhere near Minneapolis and even I’m getting that pit-in-your-stomach feeling reading this. It really does feel like we’re sliding into something ugly and nobody in charge wants to say it out loud. Like yeah, this isn’t normal, and pretending it makes it worse.
>”When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled ‘made in Germany’; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, ‘Americanism.'” – Halford E. Luccock (1938)
How about media blackouts? I turned the TV on at 6pm to catch the local news on CBS (kind of critical with a storm bearing down on us). There was a college bb game on with 6 minutes left. That took a half hour to play out. National news was scheduled to come on at 630. When the game ended the channel went black screen. It was black screen for some minutes (other channels not affected) and then kicked in at the tail end of the latest shooting in MN.
Did the local news come on at 7? Nope, paid programming for hearing aids.
BTW this is Maine, having it’s own surge and huge protests right now which is only seen on the local news-when they don’t pre empt it, or course.
Americans of every level just need to simply ask themselves, has America become a more violent, more divided, more dysfunctional country since Trump entered politics.
It wasn’t perfect before he came, far from it. But how MAGA can say America is on the right path now needs to some serious self reflection.
From now on civilians maybe should stay away from ICE agents as far as they can to protect themselves.
Each state can expand their SDF to the size of around 100 thousand people by recruiting volunteers, wearing uniforms and badges, carrying auto rifles and well trained in their marksmanship.
20 SDF persons form one squadron to be sent out to various locations to monitor and record ICE actions. ICE agents likely dare not confront directly with 20 persons all in uniforms and carrying auto rifles, so their behaviour will somehow be more restrained.
On voting days, these SDF squadrons can be sent out to the vicinities of polling stations to maintain order.
A civil war would involve two sides fighting.
At present you have a militia going off remit and murdering civilians.
Civil war is already here, except that it hasn’t been officially designated as one, but all the elements are there. The military need to side with the civilian population against the personal militia ICE is. Most likely ICE was created to have a 100% loyal army in case the military flips. That’s why they want to increase their budget. Current government should be removed and tried for high treason to the people and Constitution of the US.
Question for Americans: why the fuck is it reminiscent? Do you all think you can vote these men out of power?
Time for a revolt, US population outnumbers government forces, 1% of the population is military. Rise up!
Until now ICE has seemed to have been reorganized into a force similar to the [Sturmabteilung](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung) (SA), but now the closest historical parallel is the [Tonton Macoute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute). Its the masked gangs roaming the steets, killing at random and [fencing their victims’ belongings](https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ice-agents-put-us-citizen-teen-chokehold-then-sold-his-phone-vending-machine-near-detention-1771555).
I’ve seen the video repeatedly over the last 24 hours and it hit even harder this morning. This guy was just trying to help a couple women being harassed by ICE. They gang tackled him, murdered him after being disarmed, continued shooting bullets into his lifeless body, and then an agent celebrated. Just fucking unreal, I’m so mad.
Republican voters forced this onto the entire country
Nobody is cheering for this, everyone is upset about Alex Prettis killing, I’m from Canada and it’s so upsetting to see us lose a fucking nurse, some dumbass chud murdered him, we lost a great person.
States and cities run by democrats need to prepare for Trump and ICE asap!
As much as I disagree personally they need to get away with the gun laws, let people get licensed, purchase guns and open carry so they can join up in neighborhood watches to deter ICE.
They need to get local law enforcement in line. They can’t have ICE supporting leadership in the PDs. They need to pass laws that are going to make the police watch ICE operations closely and they need to fill the role of civil protection. The police needs to be around when ICE is doing their stuff, to ensure that they don’t infringe on people’s rights. If someone has shown documentation or is a minor they can’t just be kidnapped.
Build up detention centers that ICE has to use. Make them register and process the detainees, let them call a lawyer and so on. Don’t let them just take and disappear people.
It’s all stuff that is not at the root of the problem, I know, abolish ICE yada yada yada but at least there will be some more security, there will be paper trails and a way to hold ICE accountable.
There will be no inflection point of any sort.
Instead, it is going to accelerate even more.
Sad truth is the only way to a avoid an open civil war is now to submit to fascism.
Also, the chances to revert back from it without violence are extremely slim no matter what.
So, at this point the choice is basically CivW now, or CivW years from now and fascism in the meanwhile.
There’s no other way around it.
War is when both sides fight.
I only see violence from one side.
When one side fights, it’s oppression or genocide.
If this isn’t enough to stop them, and they get emboldened by actual government, president including and all the bots online. If they really do think there will be nothing their leaders won’t excuse away and close the door on anything else… What’s stopping them from going even full mask off and keep inflicting more and more hard until … Well
“What kind of American are you?”
It’s fucking scary
This has literally always been the game-plan: they wanted to start off a second civil war back with the Proud boys and Boogaloo boys vs BLM, but that didn’t work in 2020, so instead they created their own state-sanctioned terror group to spark it instead.
The civil war began when the turtle used lies and power to steal 3 seats on SCOTUS, there it crossed the line from the madness of the tea party and a system that tried to do the job and crossed into a phenomenon where illegitimate use of power were required to function.
Since then political violence has become more and more frequent and the conflict has been heating up. Partly planned, partly by “somebody do something” orders given, mostly by GOP figues.
The violence can be expected to continue. Even if people won’t agree that it is a civil war, we should be able to establish that the phenomenon is ongoing, is violent, has the goal to take control of USA and is using means that aren’t legitimate or decent, that aren’t democratic.
If nobody is willing to stop GOP from using violence to control the House, Greenland and the Senate, then there will be more violence.