He probably was when he was a 3rd rate businessman and 2nd rate reality TV celebrity. Then Americans gave him power. Power attracts other powers and those with dirt on him get to use him to exercise that power for their own goals.
Surprised-elephant on
No idea how he convinced people he was anti war. He dramatically increased drone strikes and increased the US bombing into more countries.
RodeoSex on
But he founded the Bored of Peace …
Least-Tap-8175 on
I genuinely think it’s probably time for a different angle. Trump lies. About like, everything. There seems to be this assumption that if one can just show MAGA the lies — they’ll see the light, and change their ways. Their problem is just that they don’t know Trump is lying. I think I’m calling bullshit on that one.
People aren’t stupid — like on balance. If you look at Trump’s approval hovering around ~40% — we all interact with a lot of people all the time — if 40% of them were so dumb they couldn’t see the lies – I think you would notice. Everyone knows he lies — it’s priced in — and it’s clear it’s not having individualized consequences.
Maybe it’s a numbers game, and it’s all adding up, and if we just keep reminding people over and over that he’s a liar, the next lie will be the one that moves them. But I doubt it.
“But you said you wouldn’t!” is like schoolyard whining from our “leaders”. Try literally anything else.
fireeight on
It was NOT delusional. It was a bald-faced lie and everyone knew it.
UpperApe on
The only one stupid enough to believe it is conservatives.
As usual, as always. From slavers to nazis to maga. It’s all the same stupidity, same sociopaths, same shit.
__
On the plus side, there’s solace in remembering that every single Christian American needs to hope Jesus is *breathtakingly* stupid if they have any hope of talking their way into heaven.
Cause “I didn’t know!” isn’t gonna cut it.
Floreat_democratia on
Been saying that from day one. This is the guy who was calling for the deaths of the Central Park five. Anyone who thinks Trump was antiwar is delusional.
skelly890 on
He’s very anti *personally participating* in a war. But sending other people? Doesn’t give a shit.
KokonutMonkey on
No shit.
ANTILAMER13 on
People that support Trump are all at the very least delusional.
There fixed it for you.
dancefan2019 on
There was no way a power hungry narcissist was going to be anti-war.
bickering_fool on
not delusional…..a LIE.
SliceofNewsMan on
I mean…yeah 😐
userhwon on
Every person’s reason for voting for Trump was delusional.
newleaf_- on
He only cares about himself, he’s not anti-anything in a core value or moral sense.
Dense_Knowledge74 on
Anyone who actually paid attention during his first term already knows this. he massively increased drone strikes and then just conveniently removed the reporting requirements so the numbers wouldn’t look bad. the “anti-war” label was always just a grift tbh.
SeaworthinessHuge536 on
Tearing up the iran nuclear deal for literally no reason other than the fact that obama signed it was the exact opposite of being anti-war. it practically guaranteed a path to future conflicts, which is exactly the mess we are seeing play out right now in real time.
RVA-neighbor on
Bigotry is a powerful drug.
Mr-ReDiCulouZ on
And the idea that the average MAGA voter was anti-war is also delusional.
Otherwise; where is the actual pushback? Clearly they are on board with this BS.
AmbivalentFanatic on
What the fuck, NYT? Why couldn’t you do your fucking job as journalists back when he was running?
chode_code on
He’s not anti or pro anything. He doesn’t have a principled bone in his body. He blows with the wind.
jimmybirch on
Was only ever about trying to get the peace prize because Obama.
Miguel-odon on
Republicans don’t argue in good faith.
FinishImmediate6684 on
Didn’t they rename the department of defense the department of war?
praisethefallen on
“you guys are idiots for listening to the things we told you” -NYT
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He probably was when he was a 3rd rate businessman and 2nd rate reality TV celebrity. Then Americans gave him power. Power attracts other powers and those with dirt on him get to use him to exercise that power for their own goals.
No idea how he convinced people he was anti war. He dramatically increased drone strikes and increased the US bombing into more countries.
But he founded the Bored of Peace …
I genuinely think it’s probably time for a different angle. Trump lies. About like, everything. There seems to be this assumption that if one can just show MAGA the lies — they’ll see the light, and change their ways. Their problem is just that they don’t know Trump is lying. I think I’m calling bullshit on that one.
People aren’t stupid — like on balance. If you look at Trump’s approval hovering around ~40% — we all interact with a lot of people all the time — if 40% of them were so dumb they couldn’t see the lies – I think you would notice. Everyone knows he lies — it’s priced in — and it’s clear it’s not having individualized consequences.
Maybe it’s a numbers game, and it’s all adding up, and if we just keep reminding people over and over that he’s a liar, the next lie will be the one that moves them. But I doubt it.
“But you said you wouldn’t!” is like schoolyard whining from our “leaders”. Try literally anything else.
It was NOT delusional. It was a bald-faced lie and everyone knew it.
The only one stupid enough to believe it is conservatives.
As usual, as always. From slavers to nazis to maga. It’s all the same stupidity, same sociopaths, same shit.
__
On the plus side, there’s solace in remembering that every single Christian American needs to hope Jesus is *breathtakingly* stupid if they have any hope of talking their way into heaven.
Cause “I didn’t know!” isn’t gonna cut it.
Been saying that from day one. This is the guy who was calling for the deaths of the Central Park five. Anyone who thinks Trump was antiwar is delusional.
He’s very anti *personally participating* in a war. But sending other people? Doesn’t give a shit.
No shit.
People that support Trump are all at the very least delusional.
There fixed it for you.
There was no way a power hungry narcissist was going to be anti-war.
not delusional…..a LIE.
I mean…yeah 😐
Every person’s reason for voting for Trump was delusional.
He only cares about himself, he’s not anti-anything in a core value or moral sense.
Anyone who actually paid attention during his first term already knows this. he massively increased drone strikes and then just conveniently removed the reporting requirements so the numbers wouldn’t look bad. the “anti-war” label was always just a grift tbh.
Tearing up the iran nuclear deal for literally no reason other than the fact that obama signed it was the exact opposite of being anti-war. it practically guaranteed a path to future conflicts, which is exactly the mess we are seeing play out right now in real time.
Bigotry is a powerful drug.
And the idea that the average MAGA voter was anti-war is also delusional.
Otherwise; where is the actual pushback? Clearly they are on board with this BS.
What the fuck, NYT? Why couldn’t you do your fucking job as journalists back when he was running?
He’s not anti or pro anything. He doesn’t have a principled bone in his body. He blows with the wind.
Was only ever about trying to get the peace prize because Obama.
Republicans don’t argue in good faith.
Didn’t they rename the department of defense the department of war?
“you guys are idiots for listening to the things we told you” -NYT