I will believe Doomed after a failed vote. Susan Collins will ask some tough questions, Murkowski will signal concern. Fetterman will jump ship. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Dry-Membership3867 on
The establishment is starting to see through trump‘s bs and is starting to fight back against it
B-Z_B-S on
(From the article): “Senate GOP leaders are looking to put the SAVE America Act debate behind them next week by scheduling it for a doomed vote — and MAGA is steaming mad.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) told reporters Tuesday that he intended to bring the documentary proof of citizenship and voter ID bill to a vote sometime next week. But he said he wouldn’t do what President Donald Trump and anti-voting leaders are demanding: use a procedural maneuver to get around a Democratic filibuster and allow the bill’s passage by a simple majority.
Thune said there isn’t enough Republican support for attempting to outlast the legislation’s Democratic opponents during a “talking filibuster.”
“We don’t have the votes, either to proceed [to] a talking filibuster nor to sustain one if we got on one,” Thune said at a leadership press conference Tuesday. “That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Asked if Trump understood that, Thune said he had tried to tell him.
“We’ve conveyed that to him. It’s important for everybody to understand this is about the votes, it’s about the math,” Thune said. “For better or for worse, I’m the one who has to be the clear-eyed realist here.”
“We’re gonna have the fight on the floor. We’re going to vote on this.” Thune added, making it clear that he would present the SAVE America Act as a [messaging bill](https://rollcall.com/2024/07/25/messaging-bills-are-loud-but-do-voters-hear-them/) ahead of the November midterms. “I can guarantee the debate, I can guarantee the vote, I just can’t guarantee an outcome.””
(I think Thune knows Trump can’t do math, based on the way he’s talking.)
mzieg on
It was always going to be weird having already held many state primaries under one set of rules, to propose changing the rules for the general of the same cycle. If at some point we wish to change the rules governing elections, the legislation should be scheduled to take effect in the next (not yet begun) election cycle so everyone falls under the same rules.
SilverHorned on
So basically this is one of those “we know it won’t pass but we’re voting anyway so everyone’s on record” situations. Congress does this all the time and it’s mostly just political theater.
greywar777 on
People should read it. It would turn the elections into a total poo show with everything pretty much hand counted. And it gets worse from there.
It would be election ending, and its EXACTLY why states control their elections.
No_Somewhere_7109 on
I’ve said this a few times, but Thune knows that nuking the Filibuster would remove the fear both sides have of actually touching it, and the impacts of that will last *well* beyond Trump.
RepulsiveLoquat418 on
“That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Asked if Trump understood that, Thune said he had tried to tell him.
like trying to explain norway to a dog.
LookAlderaanPlaces on
If you guys don’t know how the Heritage Foundation is, you need to research it.
Ghost_Activist2024 on
It’s the SAVE Act. Just the SAVE Act, not save america act.
This is spreading propaganda that the smooth brains love to lap up.
MrCollection8159 on
A lot of the discussion around the SAVE America Act focuses on the political fight in Congress, but the practical side of the policy is just as important.
The bill would require voters to show proof of citizenship and a government-issued photo ID when registering for federal elections. According to BBC News, federal law already requires voters to be U.S. citizens, but the SAVE Act would create a nationwide system to verify that requirement.
Public opinion on voter ID is also stronger than many people realize. A Pew Research Center poll cited by ABC News found that 83% of Americans support voter ID requirements, including a majority of Democrats.
But there’s another detail worth paying attention to. The Brennan Center for Justice, referenced by ABC News, estimates that millions of Americans may not have immediate access to citizenship documents or government-issued IDs.
That raises an interesting policy question. If the goal is stronger election verification, would it make sense for states or the federal government to expand access to affordable IDs or set up local documentation centers?
Maybe the more productive discussion isn’t whether verification should exist, but how to make sure every eligible voter can realistically meet the requirement. What would that kind of system actually look like?
I honestly don’t know what conservatives would really expect. A rational take from their perspective should make them realize a couple things:
1) they don’t really have the majorities to exploit a weakened filibuster and this just makes it easier for democrats to pass their legislation
2) the filibuster harms Democratic Party priorities more than republican ones
3) the Save act is highly unconstitutional while the democratic voting bills are arguably constitutional. There is no point to throw away your defense for something that might be doomed in the courts
4) they are struggling to figure out what to even pass in the reconciliation package so they can’t really take advantage of this enough
5) their majority will be gone in a year
almazing415 on
Republican and conservative women are more likely to take their husband’s last name(and keep it after divorce) so they know they’d be shooting themselves in the foot by letting this bill pass. If the unlikely even that this bill does become law, droves of women will change their last names back to whatever it was in their birth certificate. This bill is fucking stupid and is a lose-lose regardless of what party you identify with.
Root-magic on
60 votes needed
Quest-guy on
That sounds like some good news thank God.
wswordsmen on
A talking filibuster would be a gift to the Dems. Just read the Epstien files pointing out all the over redactions in violation of the law and how the Trump administration is hiding it, likely because it has things that are bad for Trump.
starliteburnsbrite on
What in the absolute fuck is an “anti-voting leader”?
Against citizens voting or against this being brought to a vote?
Y0___0Y on
The Republicans could never gain power again if they axe the fillibuster and then dems win congress. It would be so much easier for dems in congress to pass voting rights legislation, and they could essentially fund WHATEVER they want.
mistertickertape on
It’s a piece of shit bill. It should be doomed.
mabden on
The SAVE republicon asses bill.
Sr71CrackBird on
Congressional republicans know the facts but refuse to speak it for fear of upsetting President kid diddler:
The 10 states with lowest % of passport holders are all republican stronghold states.
The 10 states with the highest % of passport holders, are democratic stronghold states.
It would be the most epic self own of all time.
moonscience on
What, you mean the democrats *don’t* get to read the entire unredacted Epstein files during their filibuster?
BobInIdaho on
It’s performative theater. They know it won’t pass, and all of the Rs can now vote for it (where as some of them wouldn’t have before) and go “See? We want legal elections and it’s the evil Democratic Party that want to let illegal aliens vote to steal elections!”
AnteaterFormal7291 on
“That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Well what the fuck is with the rest of everything you can’t possibly explain then
0InsidemyBrain0 on
World War 1, Germany had their ass handed to them. Donad Toddler Diddler first term failed miserably.
World War 2, Germany learned from their mistakes, became very powerful, but the world took notice and stopped the tyranny. The Diddler Donad learned from his mistakes and look at what’s happening. Please help and stand up to the tyrant.
Exactly how Hitler’s Germany started. Passing laws to repress individuals.
jayfeather31 on
This is unlikely to earn Thune many friends. He, and everyone else against the filibuster being changed, might be killing the careers of several Republican representatives and senators, although I’m not opposed to that outcome, truth be told.
It’s weird to have the filibuster work in your favor for once, as much as I despise it.
garitone on
What’s the over-under on Fetterman voting FOR this?
grodyjody on
Can you imagine what the democrats would read during the filibuster?
Ok_Cucumber_7954 on
They don’t really want it to pass, they just want to use the failed passing to claim voter fraud is rampant and it is the democrats fault. Stolen election which they can then justify rejecting the results.
mosesoperandi on
I can’t help but think that Cory Booker is quietly disappointed that he doesn’t get to go for round 2.
Andurilthoughts on
Thune like “you’ve got a term limit, I don’t, bitch.”
pklteain on
Neither party shut look to push legislation in that manner.
Kind_Relative812 on
The numbers or logic don’t register with demented people like trump, he will just look for another way to enact his bill. Unconstitutionally I am sure but he will try.
Orion14159 on
I genuinely do not understand the rabid determination of both parties to keep this arbitrary Senate rule alive
colondollarcolon on
There better not be another surprising 4 Democrats that voted with the Republicans; like with voting to fund DHS and voting against the War Powers Resolution. How is Fetterman going to vote? Are we going a few Democrats vote with Republicans again?
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I will believe Doomed after a failed vote. Susan Collins will ask some tough questions, Murkowski will signal concern. Fetterman will jump ship. I’ll believe it when I see it.
The establishment is starting to see through trump‘s bs and is starting to fight back against it
(From the article): “Senate GOP leaders are looking to put the SAVE America Act debate behind them next week by scheduling it for a doomed vote — and MAGA is steaming mad.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) told reporters Tuesday that he intended to bring the documentary proof of citizenship and voter ID bill to a vote sometime next week. But he said he wouldn’t do what President Donald Trump and anti-voting leaders are demanding: use a procedural maneuver to get around a Democratic filibuster and allow the bill’s passage by a simple majority.
Thune said there isn’t enough Republican support for attempting to outlast the legislation’s Democratic opponents during a “talking filibuster.”
“We don’t have the votes, either to proceed [to] a talking filibuster nor to sustain one if we got on one,” Thune said at a leadership press conference Tuesday. “That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Asked if Trump understood that, Thune said he had tried to tell him.
“We’ve conveyed that to him. It’s important for everybody to understand this is about the votes, it’s about the math,” Thune said. “For better or for worse, I’m the one who has to be the clear-eyed realist here.”
“We’re gonna have the fight on the floor. We’re going to vote on this.” Thune added, making it clear that he would present the SAVE America Act as a [messaging bill](https://rollcall.com/2024/07/25/messaging-bills-are-loud-but-do-voters-hear-them/) ahead of the November midterms. “I can guarantee the debate, I can guarantee the vote, I just can’t guarantee an outcome.””
(I think Thune knows Trump can’t do math, based on the way he’s talking.)
It was always going to be weird having already held many state primaries under one set of rules, to propose changing the rules for the general of the same cycle. If at some point we wish to change the rules governing elections, the legislation should be scheduled to take effect in the next (not yet begun) election cycle so everyone falls under the same rules.
So basically this is one of those “we know it won’t pass but we’re voting anyway so everyone’s on record” situations. Congress does this all the time and it’s mostly just political theater.
People should read it. It would turn the elections into a total poo show with everything pretty much hand counted. And it gets worse from there.
It would be election ending, and its EXACTLY why states control their elections.
I’ve said this a few times, but Thune knows that nuking the Filibuster would remove the fear both sides have of actually touching it, and the impacts of that will last *well* beyond Trump.
“That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Asked if Trump understood that, Thune said he had tried to tell him.
like trying to explain norway to a dog.
If you guys don’t know how the Heritage Foundation is, you need to research it.
It’s the SAVE Act. Just the SAVE Act, not save america act.
This is spreading propaganda that the smooth brains love to lap up.
A lot of the discussion around the SAVE America Act focuses on the political fight in Congress, but the practical side of the policy is just as important.
The bill would require voters to show proof of citizenship and a government-issued photo ID when registering for federal elections. According to BBC News, federal law already requires voters to be U.S. citizens, but the SAVE Act would create a nationwide system to verify that requirement.
Public opinion on voter ID is also stronger than many people realize. A Pew Research Center poll cited by ABC News found that 83% of Americans support voter ID requirements, including a majority of Democrats.
But there’s another detail worth paying attention to. The Brennan Center for Justice, referenced by ABC News, estimates that millions of Americans may not have immediate access to citizenship documents or government-issued IDs.
That raises an interesting policy question. If the goal is stronger election verification, would it make sense for states or the federal government to expand access to affordable IDs or set up local documentation centers?
Maybe the more productive discussion isn’t whether verification should exist, but how to make sure every eligible voter can realistically meet the requirement. What would that kind of system actually look like?
[https://abcnews.com/Politics/fact-check-trump-save-america-act-amid-push/story?id=130505183](https://abcnews.com/Politics/fact-check-trump-save-america-act-amid-push/story?id=130505183)
I honestly don’t know what conservatives would really expect. A rational take from their perspective should make them realize a couple things:
1) they don’t really have the majorities to exploit a weakened filibuster and this just makes it easier for democrats to pass their legislation
2) the filibuster harms Democratic Party priorities more than republican ones
3) the Save act is highly unconstitutional while the democratic voting bills are arguably constitutional. There is no point to throw away your defense for something that might be doomed in the courts
4) they are struggling to figure out what to even pass in the reconciliation package so they can’t really take advantage of this enough
5) their majority will be gone in a year
Republican and conservative women are more likely to take their husband’s last name(and keep it after divorce) so they know they’d be shooting themselves in the foot by letting this bill pass. If the unlikely even that this bill does become law, droves of women will change their last names back to whatever it was in their birth certificate. This bill is fucking stupid and is a lose-lose regardless of what party you identify with.
60 votes needed
That sounds like some good news thank God.
A talking filibuster would be a gift to the Dems. Just read the Epstien files pointing out all the over redactions in violation of the law and how the Trump administration is hiding it, likely because it has things that are bad for Trump.
What in the absolute fuck is an “anti-voting leader”?
Against citizens voting or against this being brought to a vote?
The Republicans could never gain power again if they axe the fillibuster and then dems win congress. It would be so much easier for dems in congress to pass voting rights legislation, and they could essentially fund WHATEVER they want.
It’s a piece of shit bill. It should be doomed.
The SAVE republicon asses bill.
Congressional republicans know the facts but refuse to speak it for fear of upsetting President kid diddler:
The 10 states with lowest % of passport holders are all republican stronghold states.
The 10 states with the highest % of passport holders, are democratic stronghold states.
It would be the most epic self own of all time.
What, you mean the democrats *don’t* get to read the entire unredacted Epstein files during their filibuster?
It’s performative theater. They know it won’t pass, and all of the Rs can now vote for it (where as some of them wouldn’t have before) and go “See? We want legal elections and it’s the evil Democratic Party that want to let illegal aliens vote to steal elections!”
“That’s just a function of math. There isn’t anything I can do about that.”
Well what the fuck is with the rest of everything you can’t possibly explain then
World War 1, Germany had their ass handed to them. Donad Toddler Diddler first term failed miserably.
World War 2, Germany learned from their mistakes, became very powerful, but the world took notice and stopped the tyranny. The Diddler Donad learned from his mistakes and look at what’s happening. Please help and stand up to the tyrant.
Exactly how Hitler’s Germany started. Passing laws to repress individuals.
This is unlikely to earn Thune many friends. He, and everyone else against the filibuster being changed, might be killing the careers of several Republican representatives and senators, although I’m not opposed to that outcome, truth be told.
It’s weird to have the filibuster work in your favor for once, as much as I despise it.
What’s the over-under on Fetterman voting FOR this?
Can you imagine what the democrats would read during the filibuster?
They don’t really want it to pass, they just want to use the failed passing to claim voter fraud is rampant and it is the democrats fault. Stolen election which they can then justify rejecting the results.
I can’t help but think that Cory Booker is quietly disappointed that he doesn’t get to go for round 2.
Thune like “you’ve got a term limit, I don’t, bitch.”
Neither party shut look to push legislation in that manner.
The numbers or logic don’t register with demented people like trump, he will just look for another way to enact his bill. Unconstitutionally I am sure but he will try.
I genuinely do not understand the rabid determination of both parties to keep this arbitrary Senate rule alive
There better not be another surprising 4 Democrats that voted with the Republicans; like with voting to fund DHS and voting against the War Powers Resolution. How is Fetterman going to vote? Are we going a few Democrats vote with Republicans again?
Good. Let it die.