The main thing is that Americans really don’t want this war and we don’t see any benefit to America through this war, whereas Iran basically doesn’t have anything to lose by this point. Or at least, anything it really cares about. That’s the problem. Iran is extremely vicious right now, and this is all hurting America every day it’s continuing. Also, Trump’s an absolute idiot and he’s making a lot of extremely stupid decisions, so that hurts our strategic capabilities.
Snakesandrats on
We just need to take the L and leave. Donald can tell Maga he cut a tremendous “deal” or whatever they will be happy. Just get the hell out before things get even worse.
Then_Journalist_317 on
Trump 2020: “I won the election.”
Trump 2026: “I won the excursion.”
Eddfan36 on
Well, yah. Trump and his buddies are idiots.
LordSiravant on
Honestly, a part of me is surprised that neither Trump nor Netanyahu have used the war as an excuse to drop a nuke on Tehran and call it a day. Perhaps at the end of the day, even these psychopaths are still afraid of crossing that line. I certainly hope it stays that way.
Intel-Source on
We are going to lose this war, just like we did in Afghanistan and VietNam.
bin10pac on
This is the geopolitical equivalent of the moment in Se7en when Detective Somerset says “Joe Doe has the upper hand”.
TheGOPisTheDeepState on
America taking Ls left and right with Trump and Republicans America last campaign.
Western-Knightrider on
At this point I do not think anyone is winning, we are all losing. Too late now, but my thoughts are that the US should never have gotten into this. Thanks Trump!
Obvious_Tomatillo_17 on
Strategic evaluation: ask GPT whether it’s a good idea beforehand.
PWL51 on
Pedodon said the war was over. Guess not.
ChaoticSenior on
But hey, we created an entire new generation of terrorists. So we’ve got that going for us.
JeRazor on
So are we saying that Iran have the cards?
ZenRage on
How do you win a war if you cannot state a clear military objective?
Long-Associate-7793 on
They just couldn’t stand that Obama may get some credit (seen as a victory) with the Iran nuclear agreement. Fox News and others convinced the uninformed it was a terrible deal. Trump, as one of the uninformed swayed by Fox, pulled out of the agreement.
I’ll ask Fox and MAGA, is this better? Fox misinformation is the reason we’re in this situation. I hope Hannity appreciates his salary at this cost.
bingbongboopsnoot on
The US would be required to have a strategy to get the strategic upper hand ..
Msink on
Give it to Trump and his cronies to take the might of the military power and lose a war.
PrimoPre on
Get ready for more 9/11’s
Who do you think they are all going to grow up hating…..
Why does this country not learn…..
angrygnome18d on
If the US stays, this becomes a long drawn out conflict where we, once again, have to project power on the other side of the world. Meanwhile Iran is fighting for its survival and are being backed by Russia and China. This will result in a political and economic defeat for the US.
If the US dips, they will leave Israel wide open to attack and Iran will not relent. They will regroup and reattack Israel. It seems they have had enough with the US and Israel making and then backing out of deals as well as being attacked mid negotiation.
This just was not a fight Trump should have picked. Bad call all around.
Stillwater215 on
Iran has a clear, definite goal: survive with the regime intact. Meanwhile, the US and Israel don’t really have clear goals that can be demanded. They won’t walk away until they can declare victory, but you can’t declare victory when you don’t have a victory condition you’re working towards.
Orion14159 on
Well they aren’t led by a near octogenarian with dementia and surrounded by the dumbest yes men available so I feel like this was inevitable.
It’s like playing chess against a chicken whose keepers only taught him to peck on pictures of himself.
boxer21 on
Our armed forces need to stand down
Then_Journalist_317 on
“In two weeks, I will release the concept of a plan to re-open the Strait to shipping. Until, then, just sail into certain death.”
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This has been Iran’s singular focus for decades
The problem is where Iran stuck that upper hand!
The main thing is that Americans really don’t want this war and we don’t see any benefit to America through this war, whereas Iran basically doesn’t have anything to lose by this point. Or at least, anything it really cares about. That’s the problem. Iran is extremely vicious right now, and this is all hurting America every day it’s continuing. Also, Trump’s an absolute idiot and he’s making a lot of extremely stupid decisions, so that hurts our strategic capabilities.
We just need to take the L and leave. Donald can tell Maga he cut a tremendous “deal” or whatever they will be happy. Just get the hell out before things get even worse.
Trump 2020: “I won the election.”
Trump 2026: “I won the excursion.”
Well, yah. Trump and his buddies are idiots.
Honestly, a part of me is surprised that neither Trump nor Netanyahu have used the war as an excuse to drop a nuke on Tehran and call it a day. Perhaps at the end of the day, even these psychopaths are still afraid of crossing that line. I certainly hope it stays that way.
We are going to lose this war, just like we did in Afghanistan and VietNam.
This is the geopolitical equivalent of the moment in Se7en when Detective Somerset says “Joe Doe has the upper hand”.
America taking Ls left and right with Trump and Republicans America last campaign.
At this point I do not think anyone is winning, we are all losing. Too late now, but my thoughts are that the US should never have gotten into this. Thanks Trump!
Strategic evaluation: ask GPT whether it’s a good idea beforehand.
Pedodon said the war was over. Guess not.
But hey, we created an entire new generation of terrorists. So we’ve got that going for us.
So are we saying that Iran have the cards?
How do you win a war if you cannot state a clear military objective?
They just couldn’t stand that Obama may get some credit (seen as a victory) with the Iran nuclear agreement. Fox News and others convinced the uninformed it was a terrible deal. Trump, as one of the uninformed swayed by Fox, pulled out of the agreement.
I’ll ask Fox and MAGA, is this better? Fox misinformation is the reason we’re in this situation. I hope Hannity appreciates his salary at this cost.
The US would be required to have a strategy to get the strategic upper hand ..
Give it to Trump and his cronies to take the might of the military power and lose a war.
Get ready for more 9/11’s
Who do you think they are all going to grow up hating…..
Why does this country not learn…..
If the US stays, this becomes a long drawn out conflict where we, once again, have to project power on the other side of the world. Meanwhile Iran is fighting for its survival and are being backed by Russia and China. This will result in a political and economic defeat for the US.
If the US dips, they will leave Israel wide open to attack and Iran will not relent. They will regroup and reattack Israel. It seems they have had enough with the US and Israel making and then backing out of deals as well as being attacked mid negotiation.
This just was not a fight Trump should have picked. Bad call all around.
Iran has a clear, definite goal: survive with the regime intact. Meanwhile, the US and Israel don’t really have clear goals that can be demanded. They won’t walk away until they can declare victory, but you can’t declare victory when you don’t have a victory condition you’re working towards.
Well they aren’t led by a near octogenarian with dementia and surrounded by the dumbest yes men available so I feel like this was inevitable.
It’s like playing chess against a chicken whose keepers only taught him to peck on pictures of himself.
Our armed forces need to stand down
“In two weeks, I will release the concept of a plan to re-open the Strait to shipping. Until, then, just sail into certain death.”