That’s the problem with the EU, no compromise, if they had just given Cameron something when he asked then we probably would not be in this crappie timeline
Weekly_Customer_8770 on
All posturing. There’s zero chance Brussels will make a deal if it looks like Farage wins the next GE
RedofPaw on
I see the confusion. In the UK we call them strawberry laces.
Martinonfire on
Some people really seem to want a right wing government.
downbarton on
Wait a couple of years while we reset the government and tell eu all to ‘do one’
Thetonn on
The challenge a lot of British people just don’t understand is that the EU, at its core, is fundamentally at odds with British Parliamentary democracy.
This makes sense from a European perspective, a massive driver behind the EU is the notion of enforcing peace in Europe. The CAP’s original point was to stop farmers from becoming fascists. Lots of EU related activity derives from the logic that a European superstate should decide something once, and then no-one be allowed to revisit it. The logic behind the four freedoms is that they are non negotiable and you don’t open them up every time you want to consider potential new policy.
Submission to this reality is core to the European project. Countries accept this reality in order to benefit from the single market and access European funding. That is the deal.
But that reality is actively humiliating for MPs. They are permanently reduced in relevance, authority and station. They are lesser than their predecessors. They compromise parliamentary supremacy. They are breaking the most fundamental bit of our politics, which is that if your MP does something you disagree with, you can just kick them out at the next election and choose someone else to fix the problem.
My proposed policy solution is simple. For every competence or policy transferred to the EU, MPs and senior civil servants should get a pay cut to reflect they are no longer doing the same job. This will help reinforce that they are making an active choice to diminish themselves and Parliament, and I am pretty sure they would start scrutinising it a hell of a lot more.
Danielharris1260 on
I know people here will say the EU is being difficult but are they really it makes no sense from their perspective to to give the UK a bunch of EU benefits with no compromises as that defeats the whole point of the EU also doesn’t make sense to make big deals with the UK when it looks increasingly like the next prime minster will tear it all up on day one.
Jedibeeftrix on
no thanks. 🙂
i don’t want a ‘real’ reset, if it means all the costs that come with single market and customs union access.
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That’s the problem with the EU, no compromise, if they had just given Cameron something when he asked then we probably would not be in this crappie timeline
All posturing. There’s zero chance Brussels will make a deal if it looks like Farage wins the next GE
I see the confusion. In the UK we call them strawberry laces.
Some people really seem to want a right wing government.
Wait a couple of years while we reset the government and tell eu all to ‘do one’
The challenge a lot of British people just don’t understand is that the EU, at its core, is fundamentally at odds with British Parliamentary democracy.
This makes sense from a European perspective, a massive driver behind the EU is the notion of enforcing peace in Europe. The CAP’s original point was to stop farmers from becoming fascists. Lots of EU related activity derives from the logic that a European superstate should decide something once, and then no-one be allowed to revisit it. The logic behind the four freedoms is that they are non negotiable and you don’t open them up every time you want to consider potential new policy.
Submission to this reality is core to the European project. Countries accept this reality in order to benefit from the single market and access European funding. That is the deal.
But that reality is actively humiliating for MPs. They are permanently reduced in relevance, authority and station. They are lesser than their predecessors. They compromise parliamentary supremacy. They are breaking the most fundamental bit of our politics, which is that if your MP does something you disagree with, you can just kick them out at the next election and choose someone else to fix the problem.
My proposed policy solution is simple. For every competence or policy transferred to the EU, MPs and senior civil servants should get a pay cut to reflect they are no longer doing the same job. This will help reinforce that they are making an active choice to diminish themselves and Parliament, and I am pretty sure they would start scrutinising it a hell of a lot more.
I know people here will say the EU is being difficult but are they really it makes no sense from their perspective to to give the UK a bunch of EU benefits with no compromises as that defeats the whole point of the EU also doesn’t make sense to make big deals with the UK when it looks increasingly like the next prime minster will tear it all up on day one.
no thanks. 🙂
i don’t want a ‘real’ reset, if it means all the costs that come with single market and customs union access.