Who else is tired of our economy and national interests being held hostage by a group that represents less than 5% of Canada? Reconciliation has become full-on extortion.
Silverfoxman on
And bots are racist and dont reflect complex issues accurately
Any-Following6236 on
Constant extortion.
zzing on
So we hear the complaints from both sides, well, the many sides really. So what is to be done?
Can a framework be developed that can legally encode what meaningful consultation means without granting disproportionate power to any one minor stakeholder?
yaxyakalagalis on
Constitutional Law isn’t entitlement, and the bureaucracy and red tape is 100% Canada and the provinces doing. FNs are no more stalling projects than environmental assessments are.
This almost certainly trying to gain traction for a constitutional amendment, but the people spinning this yarn know they can’t do this. The last two attempts failed spectacularly, and before BC can even join the discussion they have to have a referendum. Not to mention the consultation and accommodation as well as the high bar to meet the Supreme Court of Canada test to infringe an Aboriginal Right. What would Canada need to prove to eliminate all recognition in the Constitution of Aboriginal Rights in total? Alberta can’t even move forward with a referendum without consultation, and people think we can just delete S35?
Negotiations are way better than litigation, and remove uncertainty better than most court decisions.
Fun fact: two commonly citied SCC cases about Aboriginal Rights are Calder 1973, and Sparrow 1990, they were **losses for Aboriginal people** but the precedents and tests are incredibly important.
Iamthequicker on
Someday it would be cool to live in a country where everyone has equal rights, regardless of their race.
BiBoFieTo on
There should never be reparations without an end date. Hell, Germany finished paying off the debts from their bad deeds in the ’90s.
We need a pathway that starts with gradually reducing payments and ends with indigenous Canadians being treated like any other citizen.
randmguyonreddit on
I’ve worked extensively with FN on major and minor projects all over Canada. Truth is it’s a complete mess. Some groups are absolutely reasonable, others are not. Amongst the reasonable ones there are fringe groups who can still protest and can’t be reasoned with and among the unreasonable ones you have people who want to work with companies on infrastructure because they know it can be beneficial to their community. This isn’t just on the FN either. The companies I’ve worked for have the exact same issue; some are acting in good faith and want genuine FN partnerships, some don’t give a damn at all about FN. You need some kind of FN involvement and consultation given the history and makeup of this country but this is not an easy issue to fix.
bugabooandtwo on
Shooting themselves in the foot. Sooner or later there won’t be money to hand over to FN because the country is bankrupt…or taken over by the Americans.
friggen_guy on
They just want a stake in the investment without doing jack shit
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And water is wet.
Who else is tired of our economy and national interests being held hostage by a group that represents less than 5% of Canada? Reconciliation has become full-on extortion.
And bots are racist and dont reflect complex issues accurately
Constant extortion.
So we hear the complaints from both sides, well, the many sides really. So what is to be done?
Can a framework be developed that can legally encode what meaningful consultation means without granting disproportionate power to any one minor stakeholder?
Constitutional Law isn’t entitlement, and the bureaucracy and red tape is 100% Canada and the provinces doing. FNs are no more stalling projects than environmental assessments are.
This almost certainly trying to gain traction for a constitutional amendment, but the people spinning this yarn know they can’t do this. The last two attempts failed spectacularly, and before BC can even join the discussion they have to have a referendum. Not to mention the consultation and accommodation as well as the high bar to meet the Supreme Court of Canada test to infringe an Aboriginal Right. What would Canada need to prove to eliminate all recognition in the Constitution of Aboriginal Rights in total? Alberta can’t even move forward with a referendum without consultation, and people think we can just delete S35?
Negotiations are way better than litigation, and remove uncertainty better than most court decisions.
Fun fact: two commonly citied SCC cases about Aboriginal Rights are Calder 1973, and Sparrow 1990, they were **losses for Aboriginal people** but the precedents and tests are incredibly important.
Someday it would be cool to live in a country where everyone has equal rights, regardless of their race.
There should never be reparations without an end date. Hell, Germany finished paying off the debts from their bad deeds in the ’90s.
We need a pathway that starts with gradually reducing payments and ends with indigenous Canadians being treated like any other citizen.
I’ve worked extensively with FN on major and minor projects all over Canada. Truth is it’s a complete mess. Some groups are absolutely reasonable, others are not. Amongst the reasonable ones there are fringe groups who can still protest and can’t be reasoned with and among the unreasonable ones you have people who want to work with companies on infrastructure because they know it can be beneficial to their community. This isn’t just on the FN either. The companies I’ve worked for have the exact same issue; some are acting in good faith and want genuine FN partnerships, some don’t give a damn at all about FN. You need some kind of FN involvement and consultation given the history and makeup of this country but this is not an easy issue to fix.
Shooting themselves in the foot. Sooner or later there won’t be money to hand over to FN because the country is bankrupt…or taken over by the Americans.
They just want a stake in the investment without doing jack shit