The fact NATO is even considering deployments around Hormuz shows how much global security and energy stability are now tied together.
People forget around a fifth of the worlds oil passes through that tiny stretch of water. If it becomes too dangerous for shipping, the economic consequences hit everyone almost immediately through fuel prices, inflation and supply chains.
turb0_encapsulator on
why? Iran’s toll price is perfectly reasonable and probably cheaper than doing this.
BOPSurfcasting on
Anyway, in other news….
“Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) cited specific unclassified FBI intake documents from 1995 that included claims from an anonymous limousine driver (later identified as Dan Ferree), who alleged he overheard Trump on a phone call with Epstein discussing abusing a girl. The witness also claimed he met a young girl who stated Trump and Epstein had raped her.”
HarEr89 on
They are all talk and no action. We already have a big TACO.
Careless_Guitar_463 on
What are they going to do that the US couldn’t?
MXC_Vic_Romano on
Outside of an invasion which ousts leadership what could they actually do?
Esamers99 on
What a mess, and what kind of scope of mission would they have? Could be the hope the Russians are looking for if they exhaust assets over Iran.
IndieDevLove on
Showing everyday that they are not a defensive alliance…
Great_Ad4198 on
No way should NATO get involved, let Trump clean his mess.
schacks on
Why does Trump and his stupid cronies always get what they want?? Why??
bareboneschicken on
The real question is how would they be able to do it.
stiffgerman on
I don’t think any military can open the Straight at this point. Neither Iran, the US or its allies have full control…the insurance companies do. They’re the ones that are keeping ships from crossing, lest they suffer a huge loss.
What I’ve been asking for a while now is: why can’t the merchants arm themselves, like they’ve done against the Somalis? It’d be even better now that we’ve had such a massive advance in FPV drone tech, so large-caliber weapons aren’t really needed.
Put a small squad of FPV pilots and mech/security folks armed with a stack of 10km-range drones with small blast/frag payloads onto a ship and sail forth into destiny. Given that most of the threat from Iran is in their small craft harassing and boarding vessels, a few FPV drone strikes that result in crew/equipment losses might cause the IRGC to rethink things.
Separate-Eagle-575 on
That’s good, it’s in their best interest to enforce freedom of navigation and protect their own interests, particularly when it comes to energy imports.
FeI0n on
Bill the U.S for every penny spent cleaning up their mess. 500 million per lost non-us NATO soldier, and 3x the cost of replacing lost ships and aircraft.
grahamsuth on
The bottom line is insurance. Ships won’t attempt the passage without insurance cover. It’s been easy for Iran to scare the insurance companies.
Iran’s assymetric warfare to scare insurance companies has trumped Trump and would do the same if NATO gets militarily involved.
monkeylovesnanas on
There has got to be another way.
The rest of the world can’t keep getting dragged into Americas bullshit wars.
Vertitto on
so NATO will attack US ships?
copperblood on
Ahhh yes… an article from the reputable financialpost 🤣. More breaking news from balanced journalism
Bud_wiser_hfx on
Nope. Nope Nope Nope.
gawdamn_mawnstah on
Hmmm…maybe NATO is finally realizing the terrorist hold Iran has on this? Idk, just feel like 1 nation shouldn’t be allowed to threaten and attack and control such a passage. That’s been the whole point
Singer-Informal on
It is a US general who wants EU to get involved in Trumps mess. It is not a NATO task
-HealingNoises- on
If NATO only escorts ships and doesn’t attack Iran, would that not signal that no matter what, even if Iran attacks them, no one (sane-ish) will ever wage a war on Iran? And so that just encourages Iran to hammer the escorts hard enough that they back off again and just agree to pay the toll?
Because I can’t imagine that the toll can’t be negotiated to something that, while still terrible for everyone, is far cheaper than having military equipment and personal constantly operating and being damaged in that region?
ZombiFeynman on
I’ll believe it when I see it.
If it was possible to open the strait by force the US navy would be doing it right now. The other NATO navies don’t have a magic wand that opens straits. And there’s 0 will to get themselves dragged into Trump’s 3 day military operation.
EJoule on
Have they considered escorting Iranian ships to protect them from seizure?
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The fact NATO is even considering deployments around Hormuz shows how much global security and energy stability are now tied together.
People forget around a fifth of the worlds oil passes through that tiny stretch of water. If it becomes too dangerous for shipping, the economic consequences hit everyone almost immediately through fuel prices, inflation and supply chains.
why? Iran’s toll price is perfectly reasonable and probably cheaper than doing this.
Anyway, in other news….
“Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) cited specific unclassified FBI intake documents from 1995 that included claims from an anonymous limousine driver (later identified as Dan Ferree), who alleged he overheard Trump on a phone call with Epstein discussing abusing a girl. The witness also claimed he met a young girl who stated Trump and Epstein had raped her.”
They are all talk and no action. We already have a big TACO.
What are they going to do that the US couldn’t?
Outside of an invasion which ousts leadership what could they actually do?
What a mess, and what kind of scope of mission would they have? Could be the hope the Russians are looking for if they exhaust assets over Iran.
Showing everyday that they are not a defensive alliance…
No way should NATO get involved, let Trump clean his mess.
Why does Trump and his stupid cronies always get what they want?? Why??
The real question is how would they be able to do it.
I don’t think any military can open the Straight at this point. Neither Iran, the US or its allies have full control…the insurance companies do. They’re the ones that are keeping ships from crossing, lest they suffer a huge loss.
What I’ve been asking for a while now is: why can’t the merchants arm themselves, like they’ve done against the Somalis? It’d be even better now that we’ve had such a massive advance in FPV drone tech, so large-caliber weapons aren’t really needed.
Put a small squad of FPV pilots and mech/security folks armed with a stack of 10km-range drones with small blast/frag payloads onto a ship and sail forth into destiny. Given that most of the threat from Iran is in their small craft harassing and boarding vessels, a few FPV drone strikes that result in crew/equipment losses might cause the IRGC to rethink things.
That’s good, it’s in their best interest to enforce freedom of navigation and protect their own interests, particularly when it comes to energy imports.
Bill the U.S for every penny spent cleaning up their mess. 500 million per lost non-us NATO soldier, and 3x the cost of replacing lost ships and aircraft.
The bottom line is insurance. Ships won’t attempt the passage without insurance cover. It’s been easy for Iran to scare the insurance companies.
Iran’s assymetric warfare to scare insurance companies has trumped Trump and would do the same if NATO gets militarily involved.
There has got to be another way.
The rest of the world can’t keep getting dragged into Americas bullshit wars.
so NATO will attack US ships?
Ahhh yes… an article from the reputable financialpost 🤣. More breaking news from balanced journalism
Nope. Nope Nope Nope.
Hmmm…maybe NATO is finally realizing the terrorist hold Iran has on this? Idk, just feel like 1 nation shouldn’t be allowed to threaten and attack and control such a passage. That’s been the whole point
It is a US general who wants EU to get involved in Trumps mess. It is not a NATO task
If NATO only escorts ships and doesn’t attack Iran, would that not signal that no matter what, even if Iran attacks them, no one (sane-ish) will ever wage a war on Iran? And so that just encourages Iran to hammer the escorts hard enough that they back off again and just agree to pay the toll?
Because I can’t imagine that the toll can’t be negotiated to something that, while still terrible for everyone, is far cheaper than having military equipment and personal constantly operating and being damaged in that region?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
If it was possible to open the strait by force the US navy would be doing it right now. The other NATO navies don’t have a magic wand that opens straits. And there’s 0 will to get themselves dragged into Trump’s 3 day military operation.
Have they considered escorting Iranian ships to protect them from seizure?
So Trump wins once again
It’s trap!