When social media cannot pit white vs colored and have vs have not anymore they move to men vs women. Anything for a quick buck.
ResidentKelpien on
Young men are being fed some grade A bullshit from their toxic, right-wing patriarchy.
BluWake on
Don’t let your sons fall into the manosphere. Teach them emotional intelligence.
Kakistocracy_0 on
I hope these stupid dickheads never *ever* get laid.
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Pinksamuraiiiii on
A lot of Gen Z men voted for Trump (more than any of that demographic), I truly believe people like Rogan, Kirk, Tucker, and Tate are to blame. It’s such a shame, because a lot of them don’t know how to talk to women properly either now. It’s almost cringeworthy. Anyway, what’s done is done. We can’t change the past, we can only change the future.
11minspider on
The thing is is that there IS a male crisis going on, college rates are plummeting, dropout rates are soaring, and there is a very clear identity crisis going on. The Right’s answer to all this might be grifting wrapped up in complete BS, but at least they HAVE an answer to this, the Left has severely struggled to address these young men’s concerns. Frankly we need a healthy, positive, Menism to do what Feminism did for women and raise them up out of the ashes of our old, patriarchal society
Charm-Ink-toons on
Employment: down
Social mobility: down
Angry young men desperate for a sense of purpose: up by 1000%
it’s an old story. the harder it is to just lead a respectable life, the more they’ll cling to delusions of becoming “the hero who saves everyone from evil”. and fascism always uses grand, heroic language – they’re helping these guys stay in the dream.
No_Delivery_329 on
Frat culture
2-travel-is-2-live on
In related news, Gen Z men keep wondering why Gen Z women want nothing to do with them.
spazz720 on
This is in relation to the attack on education as well as social media platforms and their aggressive algorithms. Too many are falling into these traps.
recess_chemist on
Running a face to face retail shop for a gender neutral product, and when I hire under 30 its only women. The men just don’t even have a mask for their stupidity during the interview.
double_fail on
The Gen Z men are going to start fucking each other because, women don’t want to be with someone who votes against their rights.
insomniac8994 on
A lot of demonization and dismissal in these replies and very little if any concrete solutions to address their grievances from a leftist perspective. Then you all act surprised when the far right grifters come in to fill that void.
Waxoman on
this happened to me, in college i considered myself a conservative maga person and ofc it didnt go well with most of the people i met there for good reason, i was argumentative and kind of an asshole. I remember debating this girl in a politics class and it was embarrassing in retrospect. i eventually grew out of it and im now a pretty lefty person. wish i could apologize to the girl i debated where ever she is.
Chaos-Cortex on
Uneducated love licking the boot.
EnderCN on
Right wing propaganda is very powerful and that is what is driving a lot of this.
GOP will do something messed up, my neighbor will have a reasonable take on it and then 2 days later he is spouting whatever spin the right put on it like it was always his take and was the right thing to do.
A lot of young men are being pushed into this propaganda loop by mostly manufactured grievance.
gob384 on
To be clear here, young men are still left leaning, just not as left as women
JB3314 on
they’ll still sleep with them, marry them, and raise their maga kids.
– signed a millennial who saw the same shit in their age bracket.
Rotanen on
Because they’re listening to podcast bros who tell them to hit themselves in the jaw with a hammer.
yogfthagen on
That’s one way to crash the population
Connect_Ship1645 on
More culture war garbage? There is a reason the media always focuses on dividing the working class against each other.
Valuable_Juice_3779 on
What a shit show these comments are
TransbianMoonGoddess on
Because the right feeds them the lie that the world belongs to them and that are better than women and they can be rude incel little nazi freaks and its women’s fault they are unlikable. Where as women of course would move left, they see how much the world and the men in charge of it hate them and think of them as little more then property.
nasorrty346tfrgser on
Here is the thing, they see how trump and musk get away from every crime and childish behavior. The young men are looking up to these two guys, and felt like their behaviors are completely okay.
And thats the problem, when you dont hold crime accountable; people would view them as success
rubio2k13 on
Great projections for a draft. They’ll find purpose when they get drafted for the Epstein wars.
Wenger_for_President on
I wish we could come up with a way to show men that showing emotions is not weak. Caring about others is not weak.
If we can get that done, MAGA and conservatism in general are fucking toast
Carpathicus on
Even though its quite obvious that there are huge issues with the way young men getting caught in extremist rightwing ideology bubbles I think its kind of dishonest and not analaytic to just call this a clash of reasonable political views against unreasonable. There are always “sound” reasons for these ideological drifts and frankly the way people talk in the comments about it its obvious why many young men dont feel heard, understood and the most important aspect: left out in the political discourse. So when people here say let those young guys go fuck themselves I assume thats exactly how they feel how a huge portion of society perceives them anyways regardless of what they vote for or believe in.
ProShotWaffle on
Guys…. I mean look at these comments…. i dont know where to start but I want to share my opinion and experience, so here goes!
I am an “Elder” Gen Z straight white male born in 2000. I lean, heavy left but I dont think all problems should be boiled down to left vs right as it is not so black and white for everyone.
I came to a more progressive ideology from the basis of feminism. Women should be equals in all rights and I disagreed heavy with alot of the labels society liked to put on people, while growing up. I also grew up in a place where racial/financial inequality was a tangible part of life, i.e. you could see it in basic things like city infrastructure. This formed my view that life is not fair, but I think we should have resources to flatten this curve!
Now that said, the older Ive gotten, I think the basis for some of these movements has lost its touch. While feminism is wonderful and has made STRIDES towards what is right by women… somewhere along the way I think the “bring everyone up” angle lost its meaning… I am not trying to attack but rather offer perspectives!
I think a good place to view this is in the getting women in STEM. There are groups, structures, benefits, rewards, support, etc for women to join an area of STEM and become a professional. These groups are specifically designed to launch women into STEM at an accelerated rate compared to what men would receive. Makes sense! Its the whole point of this movement. However the dicotomy of this is when we view healthcare work or teaching, child care esque industries there has been no similar or equal push to have men join those areas… I think situations of this nature push back on the whole “feminism raises everyone to be equal” argument bc in this case, it doesnt. Its strictly a vehicle to support women in a traditionally male dominated area.
I think a large portion of disconnect for young men comes from this ideology. As women continue to join traditionally male dominated areas of society, eventually, we should see a push for men to join female dominated areas of society as well, but we do not! From my own personal experience (of course id love to discuss more) it is now an expectation for men to allow women in their spaces. Not just for work either, other things like clubs, hobbies, etc as well! On the flip side, as someone who has attempted to join traditionally female dominated spaces, I feel extremely ostricized and viewed with ill or negative intent!
Personally, I point to a book club I wanted to join! I went to exactly 2 meetings where no one talked to me or really where I felt like my opinions on the material mattered when discussing it! I tried to join others but they are all HEAVILY romance focuses and that is not what I read haha!! A common deterrent to this is “men need to start one then” BUT I think this is a part of the issue as well!
This all feeds back into itself imo. I believe the general goal for Feminism, or ideologies of its nature, is to disrupt and deconstruct traditional views that keep us down. BUT as that goal is projected forward year after year, young men will continually fall behind. I think it is important to remember, the “patriarchy” is harmful for BOTH women AND men. It always has been.
Looking at these comments…. I see very few in true support of progress towards/for young men! Alot of comments either minimize an over arching issue here and blame men or they mention women as the “winners”.
I think more spaces should be accepting of young men and their struggles. Growing up, I feel the experiences of women where shared to begin the process of healing our society. It gave us a starting point! That said, nowadays, I feel a large majority of mens issues are hushed or invalidated by our society and we are told to deal with it and supress our emotions, even so far as sometimes an argument will boil down to, “women experience it more, therefore your struggles are invalid”. This is harmul for EVERYONE.
So really, idk, I just dont think ive seen the same support for men that I have seen for women throught my 25 years of life. Do I think it negatively impacted me growing up? No, BUT I do really believe there is, maybe even, WAS a point where this scale started to tip…
Old_History_5431 on
One side wishes they were all dead and they other side doesn’t.
ArtVandelayII on
I try and not think about it too much, but every time I do I am gobsmacked at the damage Joe f’n Rogan was able to do to an entire generation. He’s not cleaver, he’s not funny, his career was on life support, only really being prop’d up by becoming a UFC announcer.
He’s the dumbest contrarian I’ve ever heard. I say that with the understanding that I myself have played that role over the years in my own friend groups. I think it’s something young men are simply attracted to, and want to emulate because it comes off as “alpha” or smart…but all it really means is you grew up in a patriarchal society where no one challenges you because of your white male status, so your ego keeps growing and growing to the point it is out of control and you start believing in your own bullshit.
OrganicDoom2225 on
Class warfare is an easy concept to understand. The young are coming for the billionaires.
Plow_King on
this old guy started left, and keeps moving farther that way the older he gets.
firey_88 on
A lot of young men are getting their worldview from algorithms built to keep them angry and engaged. That combination turns into a feedback loop pretty fast
Doulloud on
It’s because the men are unfuckable, they blame the left instead of themselves
Obfuscious on
Male social worker here going to share my perspective. (Straight, cis, white, progressive)
I research engagement methods with adolescent and young males; specifically focusing on trauma-informed masculinity based language development for assessment and intervention.
This is not negative criticism of my field and adjacent helping fields, only an observation. Focusing on these populations isn’t largely received positively to the community and it creates a lot of barriers in further research and development. Which is really difficult because study, after study shows these male age groups actually DO seek help but disengage quickly because they don’t feel understood by providers in what are largely woman dominant fields. Most never engage again until it is a crisis.
This tends to (and research supports) lead to males seeking out these harmful masculine trends in the Manosphere and largely oppressive content as a way to rationalize the world around them. It happens slowly, but typically when it reaches a threshold, it’s ingrained and doesn’t look like box we’ve placed these things in.
Now we have a current political climate and administration that codes masculinity and tradition as the ticket to power and wealth. It also promotes that your bad behavior doesn’t require accountability.
There isn’t a single part of me that holds a negative feeling or toward my field or others. In fact, everything I’ve learned and why I choose to research this is because of women in this field, particularly those of color, who have taught me more about men and given me the knowledge and opportunity to do this. So don’t get what I’m saying twisted as any kind of sleight in that direction.
Until men start talking to men about men and men talk to their boys and adolescents about engaging and addressing their emotions, these trends will continue.
JoEdGus on
Young men are fucking stupid. Let’s just hope we can hold out on procreating long enough for them to mature more before further destroying the country and world.
LordDeathScum on
Damn the comment section is a swamp. No sympathy for half of the other of the population. The left is supposed to attract voters not demonize them. At this rate any progressive policy is gonna fail. When it’s reflected into the votes people always act shocked.
The_Lawn_Ninja on
As millennial man, I find it sad and frustrating that so many younger men apparently don’t have the critical thinking skills to recognize when they’re being lied to, or the empathy to care when other people are suffering.
What happened? Is it really all Joe Rogan’s fault?
Roystein98 on
This is really just white people drama at the end of the day lol
40 Comments
When social media cannot pit white vs colored and have vs have not anymore they move to men vs women. Anything for a quick buck.
Young men are being fed some grade A bullshit from their toxic, right-wing patriarchy.
Don’t let your sons fall into the manosphere. Teach them emotional intelligence.
I hope these stupid dickheads never *ever* get laid.
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A lot of Gen Z men voted for Trump (more than any of that demographic), I truly believe people like Rogan, Kirk, Tucker, and Tate are to blame. It’s such a shame, because a lot of them don’t know how to talk to women properly either now. It’s almost cringeworthy. Anyway, what’s done is done. We can’t change the past, we can only change the future.
The thing is is that there IS a male crisis going on, college rates are plummeting, dropout rates are soaring, and there is a very clear identity crisis going on. The Right’s answer to all this might be grifting wrapped up in complete BS, but at least they HAVE an answer to this, the Left has severely struggled to address these young men’s concerns. Frankly we need a healthy, positive, Menism to do what Feminism did for women and raise them up out of the ashes of our old, patriarchal society
Employment: down
Social mobility: down
Angry young men desperate for a sense of purpose: up by 1000%
it’s an old story. the harder it is to just lead a respectable life, the more they’ll cling to delusions of becoming “the hero who saves everyone from evil”. and fascism always uses grand, heroic language – they’re helping these guys stay in the dream.
Frat culture
In related news, Gen Z men keep wondering why Gen Z women want nothing to do with them.
This is in relation to the attack on education as well as social media platforms and their aggressive algorithms. Too many are falling into these traps.
Running a face to face retail shop for a gender neutral product, and when I hire under 30 its only women. The men just don’t even have a mask for their stupidity during the interview.
The Gen Z men are going to start fucking each other because, women don’t want to be with someone who votes against their rights.
A lot of demonization and dismissal in these replies and very little if any concrete solutions to address their grievances from a leftist perspective. Then you all act surprised when the far right grifters come in to fill that void.
this happened to me, in college i considered myself a conservative maga person and ofc it didnt go well with most of the people i met there for good reason, i was argumentative and kind of an asshole. I remember debating this girl in a politics class and it was embarrassing in retrospect. i eventually grew out of it and im now a pretty lefty person. wish i could apologize to the girl i debated where ever she is.
Uneducated love licking the boot.
Right wing propaganda is very powerful and that is what is driving a lot of this.
GOP will do something messed up, my neighbor will have a reasonable take on it and then 2 days later he is spouting whatever spin the right put on it like it was always his take and was the right thing to do.
A lot of young men are being pushed into this propaganda loop by mostly manufactured grievance.
To be clear here, young men are still left leaning, just not as left as women
they’ll still sleep with them, marry them, and raise their maga kids.
– signed a millennial who saw the same shit in their age bracket.
Because they’re listening to podcast bros who tell them to hit themselves in the jaw with a hammer.
That’s one way to crash the population
More culture war garbage? There is a reason the media always focuses on dividing the working class against each other.
What a shit show these comments are
Because the right feeds them the lie that the world belongs to them and that are better than women and they can be rude incel little nazi freaks and its women’s fault they are unlikable. Where as women of course would move left, they see how much the world and the men in charge of it hate them and think of them as little more then property.
Here is the thing, they see how trump and musk get away from every crime and childish behavior. The young men are looking up to these two guys, and felt like their behaviors are completely okay.
And thats the problem, when you dont hold crime accountable; people would view them as success
Great projections for a draft. They’ll find purpose when they get drafted for the Epstein wars.
I wish we could come up with a way to show men that showing emotions is not weak. Caring about others is not weak.
If we can get that done, MAGA and conservatism in general are fucking toast
Even though its quite obvious that there are huge issues with the way young men getting caught in extremist rightwing ideology bubbles I think its kind of dishonest and not analaytic to just call this a clash of reasonable political views against unreasonable. There are always “sound” reasons for these ideological drifts and frankly the way people talk in the comments about it its obvious why many young men dont feel heard, understood and the most important aspect: left out in the political discourse. So when people here say let those young guys go fuck themselves I assume thats exactly how they feel how a huge portion of society perceives them anyways regardless of what they vote for or believe in.
Guys…. I mean look at these comments…. i dont know where to start but I want to share my opinion and experience, so here goes!
I am an “Elder” Gen Z straight white male born in 2000. I lean, heavy left but I dont think all problems should be boiled down to left vs right as it is not so black and white for everyone.
I came to a more progressive ideology from the basis of feminism. Women should be equals in all rights and I disagreed heavy with alot of the labels society liked to put on people, while growing up. I also grew up in a place where racial/financial inequality was a tangible part of life, i.e. you could see it in basic things like city infrastructure. This formed my view that life is not fair, but I think we should have resources to flatten this curve!
Now that said, the older Ive gotten, I think the basis for some of these movements has lost its touch. While feminism is wonderful and has made STRIDES towards what is right by women… somewhere along the way I think the “bring everyone up” angle lost its meaning… I am not trying to attack but rather offer perspectives!
I think a good place to view this is in the getting women in STEM. There are groups, structures, benefits, rewards, support, etc for women to join an area of STEM and become a professional. These groups are specifically designed to launch women into STEM at an accelerated rate compared to what men would receive. Makes sense! Its the whole point of this movement. However the dicotomy of this is when we view healthcare work or teaching, child care esque industries there has been no similar or equal push to have men join those areas… I think situations of this nature push back on the whole “feminism raises everyone to be equal” argument bc in this case, it doesnt. Its strictly a vehicle to support women in a traditionally male dominated area.
I think a large portion of disconnect for young men comes from this ideology. As women continue to join traditionally male dominated areas of society, eventually, we should see a push for men to join female dominated areas of society as well, but we do not! From my own personal experience (of course id love to discuss more) it is now an expectation for men to allow women in their spaces. Not just for work either, other things like clubs, hobbies, etc as well! On the flip side, as someone who has attempted to join traditionally female dominated spaces, I feel extremely ostricized and viewed with ill or negative intent!
Personally, I point to a book club I wanted to join! I went to exactly 2 meetings where no one talked to me or really where I felt like my opinions on the material mattered when discussing it! I tried to join others but they are all HEAVILY romance focuses and that is not what I read haha!! A common deterrent to this is “men need to start one then” BUT I think this is a part of the issue as well!
This all feeds back into itself imo. I believe the general goal for Feminism, or ideologies of its nature, is to disrupt and deconstruct traditional views that keep us down. BUT as that goal is projected forward year after year, young men will continually fall behind. I think it is important to remember, the “patriarchy” is harmful for BOTH women AND men. It always has been.
Looking at these comments…. I see very few in true support of progress towards/for young men! Alot of comments either minimize an over arching issue here and blame men or they mention women as the “winners”.
I think more spaces should be accepting of young men and their struggles. Growing up, I feel the experiences of women where shared to begin the process of healing our society. It gave us a starting point! That said, nowadays, I feel a large majority of mens issues are hushed or invalidated by our society and we are told to deal with it and supress our emotions, even so far as sometimes an argument will boil down to, “women experience it more, therefore your struggles are invalid”. This is harmul for EVERYONE.
So really, idk, I just dont think ive seen the same support for men that I have seen for women throught my 25 years of life. Do I think it negatively impacted me growing up? No, BUT I do really believe there is, maybe even, WAS a point where this scale started to tip…
One side wishes they were all dead and they other side doesn’t.
I try and not think about it too much, but every time I do I am gobsmacked at the damage Joe f’n Rogan was able to do to an entire generation. He’s not cleaver, he’s not funny, his career was on life support, only really being prop’d up by becoming a UFC announcer.
He’s the dumbest contrarian I’ve ever heard. I say that with the understanding that I myself have played that role over the years in my own friend groups. I think it’s something young men are simply attracted to, and want to emulate because it comes off as “alpha” or smart…but all it really means is you grew up in a patriarchal society where no one challenges you because of your white male status, so your ego keeps growing and growing to the point it is out of control and you start believing in your own bullshit.
Class warfare is an easy concept to understand. The young are coming for the billionaires.
this old guy started left, and keeps moving farther that way the older he gets.
A lot of young men are getting their worldview from algorithms built to keep them angry and engaged. That combination turns into a feedback loop pretty fast
It’s because the men are unfuckable, they blame the left instead of themselves
Male social worker here going to share my perspective. (Straight, cis, white, progressive)
I research engagement methods with adolescent and young males; specifically focusing on trauma-informed masculinity based language development for assessment and intervention.
This is not negative criticism of my field and adjacent helping fields, only an observation. Focusing on these populations isn’t largely received positively to the community and it creates a lot of barriers in further research and development. Which is really difficult because study, after study shows these male age groups actually DO seek help but disengage quickly because they don’t feel understood by providers in what are largely woman dominant fields. Most never engage again until it is a crisis.
This tends to (and research supports) lead to males seeking out these harmful masculine trends in the Manosphere and largely oppressive content as a way to rationalize the world around them. It happens slowly, but typically when it reaches a threshold, it’s ingrained and doesn’t look like box we’ve placed these things in.
Now we have a current political climate and administration that codes masculinity and tradition as the ticket to power and wealth. It also promotes that your bad behavior doesn’t require accountability.
There isn’t a single part of me that holds a negative feeling or toward my field or others. In fact, everything I’ve learned and why I choose to research this is because of women in this field, particularly those of color, who have taught me more about men and given me the knowledge and opportunity to do this. So don’t get what I’m saying twisted as any kind of sleight in that direction.
Until men start talking to men about men and men talk to their boys and adolescents about engaging and addressing their emotions, these trends will continue.
Young men are fucking stupid. Let’s just hope we can hold out on procreating long enough for them to mature more before further destroying the country and world.
Damn the comment section is a swamp. No sympathy for half of the other of the population. The left is supposed to attract voters not demonize them. At this rate any progressive policy is gonna fail. When it’s reflected into the votes people always act shocked.
As millennial man, I find it sad and frustrating that so many younger men apparently don’t have the critical thinking skills to recognize when they’re being lied to, or the empathy to care when other people are suffering.
What happened? Is it really all Joe Rogan’s fault?
This is really just white people drama at the end of the day lol