I feel like this is the complete opposite end of the spectrum to Liz ‘The Blob is out to get me’ Truss’s mania.
PoolRamen on
Professing functional ignorance is a neutral factor given the role and how people come into it.
The big question is how effectively is she leaning on the council staff to be able to do her job as an executive
Zach_bdbd on
I’m often reminded decent people can exist in echo chambers and be manipulated into evil causes (such as the “reform” movement).
I know nothing of that Reform councillor; but in a moment of honesty she admitted a discomfort in voting for something she doesn’t understand. That level of honesty is far better than just following marching orders or making something up. Another councillor then started shouting her down – it’s not a good look.
There is nothing worse than leaders who fake knowledge they don’t have and make decisions with real implications without care.
MohawkRex on
Maybe she shouldn’t have run then???
The comments just casually giving her a pass, you’d get fired in a heart beat if you stood on a podium and did this at your job.
Uatuwatchesmyscreen on
it’s ok duck, I suspect a few people already noticed.
Substantial-Newt7809 on
The same people that refuse to attend induction meetings have no idea what they’re doing. Quelle surprise.
Brisngr368 on
The most surprising thing about this is that she admitted it
BigBunneh on
How can you expect me to fly this plane when I don’t understand all these buttons!!
FFS – any other job you need to display basic skills relevant to the job at interview stage. Running for councillor should be the same, no matter the political persuasion, else you’re wasting tax payers money.
Due-Access-996 on
The people who we are told will GET THINGS DUN will do sod all except funnel money into the hands of the billionaire class. Being qualified or component is not a requirement for Reform.
CrackersMcCheese on
I admire her balls. To publicly state that she doesn’t know what terms mean that google could have answered immediately.
On one hand she’s open and honest. Yet naive and not proactive on the other. She had plenty of time to research.
I’m not sure if I’m impressed or not.
StruttyB on
Clearly she is over-qualified and will go far in the job.
MrGamerDude16 on
Just read the standing orders…READ THEM AND I UNDERSTAND THEM!
Vivid_Employment8635 on
How do you have time to stand to be a candidate but not to google what a standing order is or have someone explain the very basics of the constitution? I can understand being a bit unfamiliar with the details of a new job but that is ridiculous.
Tasty-Committee-8172 on
She the same one who posted a picture of herself outside the Palace of Westminster captioned “time to get to work” and had to be told by the comments that she’s not actually an MP?
BitterFootball4874 on
Not a reform supporter, but judging by councillors in my area she for sure isn’t the only one; at least she’s being honest. I kind of wish politicians would be more honest about what they don’t know
ducksoupmilliband on
It’s worth watching the video, Tanisha Bramwell gave a very strong response, “it’s your job to educate yourself”!
Independent_Plum2166 on
You know, I always knew that far-right politics was self-defeating, but I never thought I’d see them literally melt under their own “success”, resigning, firings and multiple MULTIPLE members either not knowing what their job is or feeling unfulfilled and bored.
brabs2 on
Same with our council now in St Helens – Reform led, not a fucking clue what they are doing and now implementing policy advisors at 52K a year – just one over the 4 year term is 200k+. Where is that money coming from? SEND cuts, raised council tax, absolute load of fucking charlatans and wasters the lot of them
Substantial_Client_3 on
If they were honest they would resign, learn about the role in the opposition and try again next election.
shark-with-a-horn on
No excuses really, council meetings are recorded and open to the public which is how we’re seeing this one
Anyone running for council has the opportunity to observe and learn
RecipeSpecialist2745 on
And yet reform voters are the first to cause the Greens of not knowing what they are doing. Oh the irony… lol
AdElectrical5354 on
Hmmm so she’s upset that people who know how to do the job aren’t helping her learn the job she applied for and got.
If you go for any job anywhere you must be able to demonstrate strategy and understanding of the roll.
Even fast food and service jobs require this.
Getting elected and then being upset that you don’t know wtf you’re doing because you won via hate, division and populism is as hilarious as it is sad.
WaitingForAHairCut on
I’m a vote anyone but reform kind of voter.
I don’t hate this? People need to be aware of what they don’t know, this person can at least learn. If she rocked up not knowing it all and then either pretended she did or let her ego get in the way that’s way scarier
dajvebekinus on
The UK’s governance used to be the envy of the world, many nations even modelled themselves on our civil service when it was a highly-professionalised and merit-based institution. Standards are falling and we seem content to see them drop because the vibes and optics look good, as plenty of comments seem to suggest. It’s no wonder we struggle to do much of anything when we’re literally lionising incompetence. And before that, we were tired of ‘experts’. And before that we decided that business experience alone was sufficient to run public infrastructure projects. She’s more right than she knows this councillor; we all really don’t know what we’re doing.
sunheadeddeity on
… and with such an aggrieved tone, as if she thinks everyone has played a mean trick on them. Fucking idiots.
appletinicyclone on
I watched the video it’s so bad
Reformers are stuck in their feels and not reals
Cobbdouglas55 on
Classic fascist playbook. Gaslighting democratic processes and institutions.
Mountainenthusiast2 on
The honesty is refreshing but how can you put yourself forward for a job without understanding the basics or how things work? Especially when it can have a wider impact on general public?
This whole Reform movement is really sad and destructive for everyone.
Durzel on
Reform voters are all about unearned confidence over competence in their elected representatives, so I can only assume her saying this is actually positive. She’s “keeping it real” or smashing the UK swamp or something.
Haresmoors on
One of the villages I walk dogs in their reform person got sacked as he didn’t show up to do his job so they where on the hunt for a new person 🤣
Boogaaa on
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
Reform are an absolute fucking joke.
pleasantstusk on
It’s Kirklees council so can confidently say none of them know what they’re doing
stubob1701 on
Is she the one who thought they were standing as an MP?
IceGripe on
No new councillors knows what they are doing. Usually other people already elected from their party have learned and can tell her.
But if she’s the first one then the chamber is hostile. They did the same thing when the BNP were getting people elected.
CircusMaximusVictor on
As much as I dislike Reform, council business and procedures are incredibly confusing. Not to mention how things work, which the council officers can be increbibly obstructive and sneaky with taking advantage of.
Criticising for this reason feels very petty and just serves to say we should have status quo of parties and people who have historically run the councils.
Many new councillors, rightly, are more focused on campaigning rather than learnings of how to do the administrative part of the job. For any new party or independent becoming a councillor there will be a massive leqrning curve. Usually you’d be shepherded by party members already elected to help get up to speed. Is not realistic for that to happen for Reform, or many Greens, seeing as they have gone from none or a few seats to running councils.
salty-sigmar on
I’ve seen loads of comments along the lines of “well isn’t she brave for saying it how it is/she couldn’t know how to do it before getting the job” and it’s just insane that people are willing to give this a pass.
In any other job you do some research before you apply, you check that you can actually do the job. if you apply, and you think you have a shortcoming, you catch up. These new councilors were given this information and chose not to engage with it. that’s not brave/honest, it’s pigheaded.
Yes no one knows how to be a politician until they become one, but someone wanting to do so should probably have the wherewithal do look into it and pay attention so that they don’t have to stand up and say “I have no clue what I’m doing”.
Pilgrim_of_Reddit on
There is formal training for all Councillors, provided by Councils. All new Councillors will be provided with requisite training, which includes their legal obligations, as well as Council policies, procedures and expectations. Oh yes, the Councillors will learn what Councils actually do.
Not that Councillors seem to keep their training in their brains in most cases.
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I feel like this is the complete opposite end of the spectrum to Liz ‘The Blob is out to get me’ Truss’s mania.
Professing functional ignorance is a neutral factor given the role and how people come into it.
The big question is how effectively is she leaning on the council staff to be able to do her job as an executive
I’m often reminded decent people can exist in echo chambers and be manipulated into evil causes (such as the “reform” movement).
I know nothing of that Reform councillor; but in a moment of honesty she admitted a discomfort in voting for something she doesn’t understand. That level of honesty is far better than just following marching orders or making something up. Another councillor then started shouting her down – it’s not a good look.
There is nothing worse than leaders who fake knowledge they don’t have and make decisions with real implications without care.
Maybe she shouldn’t have run then???
The comments just casually giving her a pass, you’d get fired in a heart beat if you stood on a podium and did this at your job.
it’s ok duck, I suspect a few people already noticed.
The same people that refuse to attend induction meetings have no idea what they’re doing. Quelle surprise.
The most surprising thing about this is that she admitted it
How can you expect me to fly this plane when I don’t understand all these buttons!!
FFS – any other job you need to display basic skills relevant to the job at interview stage. Running for councillor should be the same, no matter the political persuasion, else you’re wasting tax payers money.
The people who we are told will GET THINGS DUN will do sod all except funnel money into the hands of the billionaire class. Being qualified or component is not a requirement for Reform.
I admire her balls. To publicly state that she doesn’t know what terms mean that google could have answered immediately.
On one hand she’s open and honest. Yet naive and not proactive on the other. She had plenty of time to research.
I’m not sure if I’m impressed or not.
Clearly she is over-qualified and will go far in the job.
Just read the standing orders…READ THEM AND I UNDERSTAND THEM!
How do you have time to stand to be a candidate but not to google what a standing order is or have someone explain the very basics of the constitution? I can understand being a bit unfamiliar with the details of a new job but that is ridiculous.
She the same one who posted a picture of herself outside the Palace of Westminster captioned “time to get to work” and had to be told by the comments that she’s not actually an MP?
Not a reform supporter, but judging by councillors in my area she for sure isn’t the only one; at least she’s being honest. I kind of wish politicians would be more honest about what they don’t know
It’s worth watching the video, Tanisha Bramwell gave a very strong response, “it’s your job to educate yourself”!
You know, I always knew that far-right politics was self-defeating, but I never thought I’d see them literally melt under their own “success”, resigning, firings and multiple MULTIPLE members either not knowing what their job is or feeling unfulfilled and bored.
Same with our council now in St Helens – Reform led, not a fucking clue what they are doing and now implementing policy advisors at 52K a year – just one over the 4 year term is 200k+. Where is that money coming from? SEND cuts, raised council tax, absolute load of fucking charlatans and wasters the lot of them
If they were honest they would resign, learn about the role in the opposition and try again next election.
No excuses really, council meetings are recorded and open to the public which is how we’re seeing this one
Anyone running for council has the opportunity to observe and learn
And yet reform voters are the first to cause the Greens of not knowing what they are doing. Oh the irony… lol
Hmmm so she’s upset that people who know how to do the job aren’t helping her learn the job she applied for and got.
If you go for any job anywhere you must be able to demonstrate strategy and understanding of the roll.
Even fast food and service jobs require this.
Getting elected and then being upset that you don’t know wtf you’re doing because you won via hate, division and populism is as hilarious as it is sad.
I’m a vote anyone but reform kind of voter.
I don’t hate this? People need to be aware of what they don’t know, this person can at least learn. If she rocked up not knowing it all and then either pretended she did or let her ego get in the way that’s way scarier
The UK’s governance used to be the envy of the world, many nations even modelled themselves on our civil service when it was a highly-professionalised and merit-based institution. Standards are falling and we seem content to see them drop because the vibes and optics look good, as plenty of comments seem to suggest. It’s no wonder we struggle to do much of anything when we’re literally lionising incompetence. And before that, we were tired of ‘experts’. And before that we decided that business experience alone was sufficient to run public infrastructure projects. She’s more right than she knows this councillor; we all really don’t know what we’re doing.
… and with such an aggrieved tone, as if she thinks everyone has played a mean trick on them. Fucking idiots.
I watched the video it’s so bad
Reformers are stuck in their feels and not reals
Classic fascist playbook. Gaslighting democratic processes and institutions.
The honesty is refreshing but how can you put yourself forward for a job without understanding the basics or how things work? Especially when it can have a wider impact on general public?
This whole Reform movement is really sad and destructive for everyone.
Reform voters are all about unearned confidence over competence in their elected representatives, so I can only assume her saying this is actually positive. She’s “keeping it real” or smashing the UK swamp or something.
One of the villages I walk dogs in their reform person got sacked as he didn’t show up to do his job so they where on the hunt for a new person 🤣
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
Reform are an absolute fucking joke.
It’s Kirklees council so can confidently say none of them know what they’re doing
Is she the one who thought they were standing as an MP?
No new councillors knows what they are doing. Usually other people already elected from their party have learned and can tell her.
But if she’s the first one then the chamber is hostile. They did the same thing when the BNP were getting people elected.
As much as I dislike Reform, council business and procedures are incredibly confusing. Not to mention how things work, which the council officers can be increbibly obstructive and sneaky with taking advantage of.
Criticising for this reason feels very petty and just serves to say we should have status quo of parties and people who have historically run the councils.
Many new councillors, rightly, are more focused on campaigning rather than learnings of how to do the administrative part of the job. For any new party or independent becoming a councillor there will be a massive leqrning curve. Usually you’d be shepherded by party members already elected to help get up to speed. Is not realistic for that to happen for Reform, or many Greens, seeing as they have gone from none or a few seats to running councils.
I’ve seen loads of comments along the lines of “well isn’t she brave for saying it how it is/she couldn’t know how to do it before getting the job” and it’s just insane that people are willing to give this a pass.
In any other job you do some research before you apply, you check that you can actually do the job. if you apply, and you think you have a shortcoming, you catch up. These new councilors were given this information and chose not to engage with it. that’s not brave/honest, it’s pigheaded.
Yes no one knows how to be a politician until they become one, but someone wanting to do so should probably have the wherewithal do look into it and pay attention so that they don’t have to stand up and say “I have no clue what I’m doing”.
There is formal training for all Councillors, provided by Councils. All new Councillors will be provided with requisite training, which includes their legal obligations, as well as Council policies, procedures and expectations. Oh yes, the Councillors will learn what Councils actually do.
Not that Councillors seem to keep their training in their brains in most cases.