Man on trial for killing student pleads not guilty to manslaughter

They need to make an example of this and put him away for a long time. This will just add so much fuel to the fire. Also how he has got this as manslaughter is crazy he literally stabbed him

>Responding to a question by the jury as to whether it was illegal to carry a knife of the size of the kirpan carried by the defendant, the judge said it would have to be for a good reason such as “only for self defence” or for religious reasons.

So we all have the right to carry such blades “for self defence”?

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I find it interesting that nobody in this thread is commenting about it being a manslaughter charge… if it was an unprovoked attack you would assume the CPS would go for a murder charge.

So are we just ignoring that or what?

There will be people who are on the fence as they don’t know the facts.

* Vickrum stabbed Nowak and filmed him trying to flee, verbally mocking him. In the video his hair was tied in a bun.
* The police arrived and his hair was down, he then claimed he was actually the victim.
* Despite bleeding heavily, the police handcuffed Nowak and he bled to death, passing out before they even gave him medical help.
* Vickrum claims he used his Kirpan, but he had 2 other blades – one around his neck and another under his clothes. 2/3 of these blades were illegal to carry and there’s no way to tell which of the 3 he has an exemption to carry. He could very well have stabbed him with a different knife and simply claim it’s his kirpan so he doesn’t get prosecuted for carrying a weapon.
* Vickrum tried hiding Nowak’s phone in his pocket and his mother picked the blade (not kirpan) up from the crime scene and attempted to hide it.

Now. Does this sound like someone who acted in genuine self-defence?

Edit. He also claimed Norwak was drunk, yet a toxicology report shows this was **also** a lie, Norwak had lower the drink driving limit in his body. He was by the letter of the law, sober.

He wasn’t drunk either. His blood alcohol levels was lower than the driving limit. – Mods deleted my previous comment for listing the facts of the case. Absolute cretins.

So not manslaughter, does that mean hes admitting to murder?

You can read my lengthy and unfortunately prophetic screed on why we need to end the Kirpan exemption (and all religious exemptions to law) [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/1ta09rk/comment/ol6c0ej/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).

There’s no such thing as a simple murder/manslaughter trial outside of movies and television. I have my opinion based on the facts that are known, as no doubt you all do.

What is *absolutely without question* is that the privilege of Sikhs to go armed in the streets which is not granted to you, me or anybody else, makes a case like this both more likely to occur and less likely to be resolved in a way that is broadly satisfactory to society.

End religious exemptions to laws, this should be an utterly uncontroversial and cross-party position. Sikhs (or any other religious sect) are *not* especially righteous, moral or deserving of regard as such and that this regard *is* instantiated in the law of the land should have been fucking galling to everyone without anybody needing to be stabbed to death to make that apparent.

The law is either just and binding, or frivolous and optional, it cannot be both at the same time depending on one’s claimed supernatural belief. If it is the former, it must apply equally, if it is the latter, the law should be repealed.

The details about what nowak allegedly did to the stabber are very scarce

Incredibly bold that he didn’t plead down to manslaughter. But good in that the alleged perpetrator will now get a murder charge and this will be an aggregating factor in sentencing. 

Country is a joke. A specific religion can carry a knife because their religion says they can? I’m aware of the kirpan rule for Sikhs, but giving special privileges to people from foreign religions is not going to push public opinion towards a multicultural utopia. These judges need to know better.