I’m still waiting for a good answer as to what difference there is between the Nationals and One Nation? Has anything actually changed besides party name?
PlanktonDB on
One of the few takes that identifies the overwhelming generational divide that underpins the boomer dominated media obsession with ON. The biggest cleavage in voting for most of last two decades
Worth considering that along with younger voter cohort growth about 400,000 Australians will die between now and likely next election, overwhelmingly boomers, a bit over 2% of enrolment.
Assuming modern civilisation sustains itself that long with the idiots currently having influence globally
GuyFromYr2095 on
still a two party system when ONP replaces LNP as opposition
Expensive-Horse5538 on
It’s already been collapsing with the rise of teal independents and the greens (though the latter have sort of taken bit of a tumble federally)
Also One Nation aren’t really contributing to the collapse because they are just replacing the Coalition’s spot in the two party system
47737373 on
No it hasn’t. We all were told One Nation would be a big threat at the SA Election and look at how they embarrassingly fell over and won what, 1 seat or was it 2? Idk I don’t hang onto every piece of rubbish I find.
Australian politics is and will always a team sport of Team Red vs Team Blue just the way it’s supposed to be! These other minor parties and independents are just a cute afterthought.
theReluctantObserver on
Yeah, nah. Liberal party collapsed. Billionaire money began flowing to controlled opposition. One Nation got a cash injection and a private plane.
seanmonaghan1968 on
Yes and this happened due to a combination of stupidity by senior LNP members and money from oligarchs
F00dbAby on
I’m not saying we should dismiss one nation because we should not dismiss any party
But like why do all these articles act like we didn’t just have a federal election where Labor won a majority
Why are we acting the recent South Australia election didn’t also return Labor to power again with a majority
Like yeah sure talk about one nation but some of the commentary from frankly every news source even the abc discusses way more the speculative possibilities than the actual reality.
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I think the rise of One Nation has rejuvenated the Liberal Party, which ultimately is the more widely acceptable face of conservatism in this country. But Hanson has given the Libs the good kicking it needs, in the same way Trump has forced European nations to grow a set of balls, which is a very good thing.
And, if they can all avoid imploding and come to an arrangement, a Lib/ON/Nat coalition has a real chance of defeating Labor in a couple of years.
Solaris_24 on
Australia now has a “dominant party” system rather than a two-party system. Clearly, the ALP is the dominant party on the left, and One nation is (currently) the dominant party on the right.
We are still a little bit different to Europe where they often have eight political parties that all get roughly 15% of the vote.
oldmanonanEbike on
>the rise of One Nation
No, the two-party system has not collapsed. It’s just that one of those two parties has suddenly become irrelevant and might be replaced by another two parties leaving us again with two parties.
mr_jorkin_depeanus on
australia has never been a “2 party system”. its been a 3 party system cuz the libs have only ever been able to hold a candle to labor under a coalition with the nats. the “majors” are actually 1 major party and 2 minor parties that were so shit at politics they had to join forces to double their voting power
and labor is the major party because people vote for them the most. its very simple and our democracy is arguably the most fair in the world. news corporations need to have you convinced that it’s unfair because their primary shareholders can’t win anymore
NoddyNorrisXV on
I wouldn’t say we have a two-party system. Australian politics has just been dominated by two parties since since 1941. It’s more like the status quo as a ‘system’ suggests that we only have two parties.
I believe the development of the ALP and Coalition dominating Australian politics is due to how well funded they are and Australia’s apolitical view on politics. One Nation’s surge comes at a time when the Coalition are an unpopular mess, conservative voters are looking for another option and new media platforming allowing One Nation to reach a broader audience beyond traditional media.
BeLakorHawk on
I’m genuinely interested in how they affect the Vic election. Before they rose and spread it looked like Jess Wilson could possibly have a crack at Jacinta Andrews. But now the polling is confusing as all fuck. And heavy parts of our LNP were already further right than the Feds, AND ON has been mainly vocal about Federal issues.
But we are next cab off the rank and ON polling is not going anywhere backwards it seems. Could be chaos here, especially in the upper house which Labor do not have a majority and need Greens support.
Bring it on. The most fucked up State in the land could provide the most interesting election for ages. I can’t wait.
greatmodernmyths on
I think the problem Australia has had is that two majors have never (at least over the last 100 years) had to do anything too bold or risky because it was just a matter of time when the voters got tired of one side. All this did was create laziness. But now the voters are saying ‘we don’t like either of you’. So, in some way what’s happening is good because it’s forcing the majors to actually get off their backsides to do something new, or at the very least stand behind some principles.
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I’m still waiting for a good answer as to what difference there is between the Nationals and One Nation? Has anything actually changed besides party name?
One of the few takes that identifies the overwhelming generational divide that underpins the boomer dominated media obsession with ON. The biggest cleavage in voting for most of last two decades
Worth considering that along with younger voter cohort growth about 400,000 Australians will die between now and likely next election, overwhelmingly boomers, a bit over 2% of enrolment.
Assuming modern civilisation sustains itself that long with the idiots currently having influence globally
still a two party system when ONP replaces LNP as opposition
It’s already been collapsing with the rise of teal independents and the greens (though the latter have sort of taken bit of a tumble federally)
Also One Nation aren’t really contributing to the collapse because they are just replacing the Coalition’s spot in the two party system
No it hasn’t. We all were told One Nation would be a big threat at the SA Election and look at how they embarrassingly fell over and won what, 1 seat or was it 2? Idk I don’t hang onto every piece of rubbish I find.
Australian politics is and will always a team sport of Team Red vs Team Blue just the way it’s supposed to be! These other minor parties and independents are just a cute afterthought.
Yeah, nah. Liberal party collapsed. Billionaire money began flowing to controlled opposition. One Nation got a cash injection and a private plane.
Yes and this happened due to a combination of stupidity by senior LNP members and money from oligarchs
I’m not saying we should dismiss one nation because we should not dismiss any party
But like why do all these articles act like we didn’t just have a federal election where Labor won a majority
Why are we acting the recent South Australia election didn’t also return Labor to power again with a majority
Like yeah sure talk about one nation but some of the commentary from frankly every news source even the abc discusses way more the speculative possibilities than the actual reality.
I think the rise of One Nation has rejuvenated the Liberal Party, which ultimately is the more widely acceptable face of conservatism in this country. But Hanson has given the Libs the good kicking it needs, in the same way Trump has forced European nations to grow a set of balls, which is a very good thing.
And, if they can all avoid imploding and come to an arrangement, a Lib/ON/Nat coalition has a real chance of defeating Labor in a couple of years.
Australia now has a “dominant party” system rather than a two-party system. Clearly, the ALP is the dominant party on the left, and One nation is (currently) the dominant party on the right.
We are still a little bit different to Europe where they often have eight political parties that all get roughly 15% of the vote.
>the rise of One Nation
No, the two-party system has not collapsed. It’s just that one of those two parties has suddenly become irrelevant and might be replaced by another two parties leaving us again with two parties.
australia has never been a “2 party system”. its been a 3 party system cuz the libs have only ever been able to hold a candle to labor under a coalition with the nats. the “majors” are actually 1 major party and 2 minor parties that were so shit at politics they had to join forces to double their voting power
and labor is the major party because people vote for them the most. its very simple and our democracy is arguably the most fair in the world. news corporations need to have you convinced that it’s unfair because their primary shareholders can’t win anymore
I wouldn’t say we have a two-party system. Australian politics has just been dominated by two parties since since 1941. It’s more like the status quo as a ‘system’ suggests that we only have two parties.
I believe the development of the ALP and Coalition dominating Australian politics is due to how well funded they are and Australia’s apolitical view on politics. One Nation’s surge comes at a time when the Coalition are an unpopular mess, conservative voters are looking for another option and new media platforming allowing One Nation to reach a broader audience beyond traditional media.
I’m genuinely interested in how they affect the Vic election. Before they rose and spread it looked like Jess Wilson could possibly have a crack at Jacinta Andrews. But now the polling is confusing as all fuck. And heavy parts of our LNP were already further right than the Feds, AND ON has been mainly vocal about Federal issues.
But we are next cab off the rank and ON polling is not going anywhere backwards it seems. Could be chaos here, especially in the upper house which Labor do not have a majority and need Greens support.
Bring it on. The most fucked up State in the land could provide the most interesting election for ages. I can’t wait.
I think the problem Australia has had is that two majors have never (at least over the last 100 years) had to do anything too bold or risky because it was just a matter of time when the voters got tired of one side. All this did was create laziness. But now the voters are saying ‘we don’t like either of you’. So, in some way what’s happening is good because it’s forcing the majors to actually get off their backsides to do something new, or at the very least stand behind some principles.